In this conversation, Erik Avakian, a seasoned CISO, shares his experiences and insights on the challenges of cybersecurity leadership, particularly in a political environment. He discusses the importance of communication, the need for cybersecurity to be understood as a business issue, and the significance of teamwork in cybersecurity efforts. Avakian emphasizes the necessity of bridging the knowledge gap between technical experts and legislators to enhance cybersecurity awareness and effectiveness. He concludes with valuable advice for aspiring cybersecurity leaders, highlighting the importance of communication skills and understanding different personalities in the workplace. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★