Today we open the container with Robert Hanna.

Doug begins today's episode with an exploration of the profound cultural shift from outright denial to a pervasive apathy regarding environmental issues. But he also offers a more hopeful narrative, showcasing significant victories in conservation, such as the surge in dam removals across the United States.

Doug is then joined by Robert Hanna, a descendant of the renowned environmentalist John Muir. Robert talks about the ongoing struggle for conservation, emphasizing the necessity of collaboration across all communities.

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