The fourth trimester? What is it? What does that even mean? We've done the hard yards with the pregnancy and the birth, can't we just focus on the baby now?! In this series we share conversations with leading experts that cover every angle of the fourth trimester and why taking care of the mother is so vital during this season of motherhood.Today's expert is Renata Lardelli, a Registered Nurse and Midwife and her mission is to help new mums find their footing as they transition from woman to mother in the fourth trimester. Renata believes women are grossly underprepared and encourages women to learn about the fourth trimester as they do pregnancy, labour & birth. She’s also the founder of Lila Jasmine fourth trimester education portal as well as New Zealand's only lactation bar.You can find out more about Renata on Instagram @lilajasminenutrition and on her website lilajasmine.co.nz/collections/workshops and use Code THEDEEP to get $15 off your online fourth trimester workshop.This episode discusses suicide and post-natal depression, support services are listed below.Gidget Foundation: 1300 851 758 or gidgetfoundation.org.auPANDA: 1300 726 306 or www.panda.org.auLifeline: 13 11 14 or www.lifeline.org.auPADA (New Zealand): pada.nzEdinburgh Test: healthyfamilies.beyondblue.org.auThis episode is proudly brought to you by Haakaa. Head to www.haakaa.co.nz and use code ZOE15 for 15% off everything online (not cumulable with other offers, available worldwide and for a duration of 3 months).Credits:Joanne Helder - ProducerCaleb Jacobs - MusicAJ Davis - Comms ManagerPlease DM us your thoughts and burning questions to @whatsthedeep or head to zoemarshall.com/thedeep.The Deep is a place for you. If you love it please subscribe and leave us a rating or comment if that tickles your fancy.The Deep acknowledge the Traditional Custodians of the land on which we work and live, and recognise their continuing connection to land, water and community. We pay respect to Elders past, present and emerging.