Is it too easy to be considered a refugee? Suella says so.
Suella Braverman wants to make it harder for people to call themselves a refugee.
She's in Washington setting out her case for a major overhaul of the UN Refugee Convention - signed in 1951 in the aftermath of the Second World War (but updated continually since).
She says the numbers of people crossing the channel now make it unsustainable. Is she right? And where are her numbers coming from....
Also today we speak to Naomi Klein on the war against objective truth - her new book is about being confused with a conspiracy theorist.
And Lewis is back from the Lib Dem conference and an interview with Ed Davey.
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