Rev. Karl Ruttan, PhD is a retired Episcopal priest with a doctorate in spiritual formation and over forty years of ministry as a priest and as a spiritual director, especially with men. In this conversation, Karl and I talk about what it means to become a man in a healthy, holistic way, and how this process of spiritual maturity can help bring our entire culture toward a deeper awareness of our connection to our true selves, each other, the more-than-human world, and our common divine source. Resources: Earth & Spirit Men’s Contemplative Group: https://www.earthandspiritcenter.org/class/mens-contemplative-group/ Illuman is a global not for profit organization committed to supporting men who are seeking to deepen their spiritual lives. http://www.illuman.org/ Spiritual Directors International: https://www.sdicompanions.org/ Richard Rohr, Falling Upward: A Spirituality for the Two Halves of Life Earth & Spirit Center homepage: www.earthandspiritcenter.org