Kevin and Anne talk with ALP federal representative Ged Kearney, who harkens back to the remarkable 1945 White Paper "Full Employment in Australia." The White Paper demonstrates policy makers knew back then that lack of jobs was caused by insufficient aggregate demand for labour, not because women and robots were taking them away. Now we are facing 25% labour underutilisation, where to from here?Send feedback on this episode to radiommt@gmail.com.