While out west, Mark gets a surprise two-for-one reconnection with some pals from his comedy past, and overhears a phone call that sparks his curiosity about his own fear of picking up the phone. Do Other Men have the same phone phobia?

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Original music by Fulton Street Music Group. Additional music from Blue Dot Sessions.

Episode illustration by Carmela Caldart.

Want to help Jason Saenz? Medical expenses are UP and he can still use help to cover his treatment and bills. Find out more info about donating here. Jason also recommends supporting Triumph Foundation, an org that helps children, adults, and Veterans with spinal cord injury/disorder to triumph over their disability,

Special thanks to RUTH CHAN for her children’s book insights. To learn more about Ruth and her work, go to ohtruth.com.