In this episode, Jeff Harry turns the tables on Samm and interviews her about the current state of HR and why woo woo is so desperately needed in our workplaces. This is a conversation that all people-centered leaders should hear as Samm and Jeff discuss everything from how HR is misunderstood to the difference between dragons and unicorns. Lastly, Samm explains what disengagement looks like from a Chinese medicine perspective as well as some simple ways we can care for ourselves energetically as we navigate a workday full of emotions and stress. Find the show notes at www.hrartcenter.com.