It may be episode 2, but it's the first guest! Hosts Sam McIlwaine and Gareth Mulvenna are joined by the Deputy Leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, and MLA, Robbie Butler. Robbie discusses his working class roots, growing up in Loyalist housing estates and his uncomfortable personal relationship in owning the label 'loyalist'. He chats about the NI Protocol and the mental health crisis that Northern Ireland is struggling with whilst having no real functioning devolved government. (Note: We open with a chat on the latest news around NI and the interview with Robbie starts at about 10 mins) Please support this podcast by joining us at ptreon.com/tortoiseshack