The antitrust trial between Apple and Fortnite’s parent company Epic Games is underway, so Apple observer John Gruber talks about Apple’s App Store problem with Recode’s Peter Kafka. Then, historian Jill Lepore joins to discuss her podcast The Last Archive, which looks at the demise of truth and the rise of doubt in American history - and why it matters to us today.

Featuring: John Gruber (@gruber), of Daring Fireball

Jill Lepore, writer for the New York Times and host of The Last Archive

Host: Peter Kafka (@pkafka), Senior Editor at Recode

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