After the showdown between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris this past Tuesday, Trump has refused to participate in another debate.

For more, KCBS Radio news anchor Margie Shafer was joined by KCBS Insider Phil Matier and former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown.

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