The podcast episode discusses Andrew Wilkinson's entrepreneurial journey, particularly focusing on his founding of the company Flow, a task tracking and productivity app for teams and small businesses. The conversation delves into the challenges faced by Flow as a bootstrapped business in a competitive market dominated by venture-backed giants like Asana. Despite their focus on product design and passionate user base, Flow struggled to compete against well-funded competitors like Asana, which had substantial marketing budgets and rapidly expanded feature sets.The episode highlights the difficulties of sustaining a bootstrapped startup in an industry where raising capital is often seen as essential for success. It explores Flow's decision to turn down an acquisition offer from Asana and the subsequent challenges they encountered while trying to grow organically. Despite their dedication to the product and loyal customer base, Flow faced obstacles such as limited resources and underestimated competition.The podcast also discusses the transition in leadership at Flow, with Daniel Scrivner taking over as CEO after a period of downsizing. The challenges of overhauling the app and maintaining momentum with a reduced team are explored, culminating in the release of Flow X, a major update aimed at streamlining team collaboration.Ultimately, we'll conclude with an update on Flow's status, noting Daniel Scrivner's departure from the company in 2022 and the lack of information about its current leadership. The podcast reflects on Flow's journey as a potential "cigar butt" for Tiny Capital, where minimal investments are made in the asset until its eventual decline. Despite the uncertainties surrounding Flow's future, the episode provides insights into the trials and tribulations of building and sustaining a bootstrapped startup in a competitive market.This podcast is brought to you by:Miro: Go to Miro.com/podcast and get your first three Miro boards free forever.Hubspot: Listen to The Science of Scaling wherever you get your podcasts.Gigantic: Learn more about Gigantic's Product Leadership course, Generative AI, Product Management course, Executive Leadership course & Web3 for Marketing course, AI Product Management Course, and Customer Research and Discovery Course at Gigantic.isRocketship is brought to you by The Podglomerate.***Previous Guests include Seth Goden, Christian Idioti, Ash Maurya, Dan Shapiro of Glowforge, Lolita Taub, Amy Hood of Hoodzpah, Amanda Goetz, Helen Tran, Ben Parr, Mac Conwell, Charli Marie Prangley of ConvertKit, Kandis O'Brian, Laura Roeder, Brenna Loury of Doist, Lopa van der Mersch of Rasa, Ken Norton, Randy Silver, Sanjiv Kalevar of OpenView Venture Partners, Dan Olsen, Jay Clouse, Melissa Perri, Dheerja Kaur of Robinhood, Rahul Vohra of Superhuman, Rich Mironov, Ben Foster, ChatGPT, Ron Weiner of Earth Class Mail.***This show is a part of the Podglomerate network, a company that produces, distributes, and monetizes podcasts. We encourage you to visit the website and sign up for our newsletter for more information about our shows, launches, and events. For more information on how The Podglomerate treats data, please see our Privacy Policy. Since you're listening to Rocketship, we'd like to suggest you also try other Podglomerate shows surrounding entrepreneurship, business, and careers like Creative Elements and Freelance to Founder.