In this episode, we sit down with Pierre Rochard, VP of Research at Riot Platforms, and Bitstein, co-founder of the Nakamoto Institute, to discuss hyperbitcoinization and more. Pierre and Michael open by reflecting on its price history, historical cycles, and long-term outlook. They explore bitcoin’s progression onto the global stage, considering how central banks view it and where we are in the context of hyperbitcoinization. They address the critical balance between self-custody and bitcoin banks, including insights into the evolving role of custody solutions and associated risks. Discussing perspectives like those of Michael Saylor and Saifedean Ammous, they weigh in on bitcoin’s function as both an asset, a money, and the concept of bitcoin “yield.” The conversation covers MicroStrategy’s strategic approach to bitcoin and their perspective on the various models like S2F, power law, and Bitcoin24.SUPPORT THE PODCAST:→ Subscribe→ Leave a review→ Share the show with your friends and family→ Send us an email podcast@unchained.com→ Learn more about Unchained: https://unchained.com/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=TBF-podcast-description→ Book a free call with a bitcoin expert: https://unchained.com/consultation?utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=TBF-podcast-description→ Buy bitcoin in an IRA—sign up today and get your first year free: unchained.com/frontierTIMESTAMPS:0:00 - Intro1:17 - Reflections on bitcoin cycles3:21 - Long-term outlook5:12 - Bitcoin on global stage7:05 - Central banks’ view on bitcoin14:03 - Defining hyperbitcoinization17:05 - Self-custody vs. bitcoin banks25:16 - Future of bitcoin custody30:10 - Risks in custodial options35:38 - Saylor vs. Saifedean on bitcoin banking42:27 - Bitcoin yield vs. fiat yield50:02 - MicroStrategy’s strategy55:10 - Modeling bitcoin’s value1:02:31 - Fiat vs. bitcoin volatility1:04:15 - Challenging views in bitcoin communityWHERE TO FOLLOW US:→ Unchained Twitter: https://twitter.com/unchainedcom→ Unchained LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/unchainedcom → Unchained Newsletter: https://unchained.com/newsletter → Joe Burnett’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/IIICapital→ Pierre Rochard’s Twitter: https://x.com/BitcoinPierre→ Bitstein’s Twitter: https://x.com/bitstein