In the latest father-and-daughter podcast, Ruthie illustrates the secret of life with a colourful elephant metaphor, while Martin wonders if pointing to the innate sexism of the Muslim faith makes him an Islamophobe. Also, father is sceptical about the controversial Gillette online advertisement, without going the full Piers Morgan, and agrees with Bryan Cranston that there's nothing wrong with a non-gay actor playing a gay character. Musically Ruth introduces her dad to Frank Ocean, while father reveals to Ruth that Steely Dan isn't just 'a bloke called Dan.'

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