Joining me today is Hakeem Anwar, founder and creator of Above Phone, here to discuss his revolutionary de-Googled privacy devices -- now both a phone and laptop -- and how now is the time to make this transition away from the controlled, manipulated, and surveilled devices that most of us carry. With the obvious push today for less privacy and more control, by our respective governments, it is in our best interest to understand the different options available to us -- especially those that the system seems determined to keep from your view. Today we go over the benefits and challenges of these new devices and why this is the inevitable next step, at least for those of us interested in resisting the outlined "you'll own nothing and be happy" future being built around us.

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