Nora Bateson founder of Warm data labs and author of the book Combining came on the podcast for a warm, worldbending conversation. We speak of this world we live in and what it means to be involved in its unfolding through some of the concepts in Noras current book Combining. We speak of confusion, complexity, abouting, readying, shifting, communication, range, side by siding, the need for discontinuation, changing maps and how the territory always wins. This conversation has had me say "as Nora said" for weeks... perhaps you will to. Enjoy. Extensive show notes (Substack)