Alexander Crawford and Ylva Björnberg visit the podcast for a deep dive. Both Ylva and Alexander are deeply involved with the transformation of society and are recovering futurists. This conversation introduces a concept they have been developing and gives a first taste of what they call conversation 1 and conversation 2. Conversation 2 is what is needed by some for us as a society to start being able to shift out of the grid lock of the current global logic. This is part 2 of our conversation that we ended up re-recording post IPCCs updated report and the release of Chat-GPT4. We speak about language, Bretton Woods, Silence, Push and pull, institutions and much more. Come along!