Helen is joined by Carina White - broadcaster, cultural commentator and co-host of the podcast Black Mums Upfront. Carina shares her experience of incontinence after childbirth and her long journey towards finding help. She talks with passion about how it's affected her socially, how she's found strength in sisterhood and why she wants to speak out. For a very long time the narrative that was put to me was 'You just have to put up with it. Put up or shut up'. And that's just not true. You don't have to live with it.  Carina White is @_carinawh on InstagramBlack Mums Upfront is @blackmumsupfront on Instagram This episode is sponsored by Modibodi, the original period and leak-proof underwear brand. They have very kindly given us a discount code! Use WMDJ15 to get yourself 15% off (excluding sale items, bundles, maxi-24hrs and gift cards).You can find Helen @whymumsdontjump on Instagram and Twitter or at www.whymumsdontjump.com