Madrid based Professor and long-time contributor, Joe Haslam was in Dublin for a few days, so he kindly dropped into the tortoise shack for an in person podcast. We discussed the impact the war on Ukraine has had on the internal politics of Spain and what it has meant for their already EU leading ambitions towards structural climate action. We discuss the economic threats and the likely EU response to come. Joe outlines the need for more diversity in the policy making process and how thinking and acting globally is a better model for security and tackling inequality. We also grabbed a pint in the Diggers. Please join us at patreon.com/tortoiseshack