Frank Jotzo's a climate economist who's lived a decade of fights over carbon pricing, but... he's also a total optimist about solving climate change. The only problem is that to get there, economists have to grapple with (ugh) compromise and (double ugh ugh) politics.We had a beer with an academic economist people actually listen to. Enjoy!The Wholesome Show @rodl and@willozap, Comms Manager is @ellageebeeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.