Today Doug opens the container with author Betsy Gaines Quammen.

Doug begins the episode reflecting on his first experience moving to the western US where the natural beauty of the outdoors was overwhelming and he encountered an overarching sentiment of distrust and anger towards himself as a newcomer as well as the government authority who was employing him. That same mentality has persisted and is playing a role in the current effort to sell off our public lands.

Doug is then joined by Betsy Gaines Quammen who has written multiple books on the culture of the west, and discusses the multifaceted relationship between local narratives, environmental stewardship, and the politics that threaten our shared landscapes.

Note: This episode was recorded before the failed republican lead effort to sell off 500,000 acres of public lands in Nevada and Utah.

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