In this episode, our Managing Director in Australia and California, Hugo Batten is delighted to be joined by Rob Wheals, CEO and Managing Director of APA.  APA is an energy infrastructure business with gas pipeline, electricity, solar and wind assets and the 30th largest publicly listed Australian company on the Australian Stock Exchange. Prior to APA, Rob had a varied career across tech, consulting, telco and energy.  Rob and Hugo discuss: •The long-run impact of the current price/security of supply crises in Europe and Australia •The major steps needed to deliver a more orderly transition •Hydrogen and the timeline of cost competitiveness Support the show