Forrest Maready is the author of “The Moth in the Iron Lung”, among other books. It tells a very different story of the Polio epidemic than the one you are likely familiar with, a story with radically different implications for health and medicine. Bret talks with Forest about his book and his interpretation of the evidence with an evolutionary bent to the conversation. Buy the Moth in the Iron Lung: https://a.co/d/dvYehmh Follow Forest on X: https://x.com/forrestmaready ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com/ Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts. Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org/ Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Timestamps: (00:00) Introductions (06:45) Hypothesis and theory (08:15) Polio, the founding myth (16:48) Sponsors (20:40) Definitions of Polio (35:30) Gypsy moth (40:15) Antibiotics hypothesis (44:30) Mouse telomeres (54:50) Surgery (57:50) Pesticides to deal with gypsy moths (01:10:33) Smallpox vaccination (01:23:35) Valorization (01:25:28) Earliest Polio outbreaks and symptoms (01:37:20) Intestine and spinal cord (01:45:41) Salk vaccine (01:49:15) Rise and fall of Polio infections (01:58:00) Crooked faces and metals in medicine (02:00:46) Why we kiss and chickenpox parties (02:05:05) Are you an antivaxxer? (02:23:20) Sunglasses (02:27:00) Wrap up