On the show, I have on with me Bren Briggs, the VP of DevSecOps at Hypergiant. Bren talks about some of the realities of moving into a role in management, what happens if you decide to move back into an IC role, and managing with empathy. In this episode, we cover: Moving into a management role Management skills should be equal to expertise. Indicator when to step down from management role. Having the most successful leaders and successful hierarchical structures. Having a culture of leadership that values feedback is a must. Psychological safety is essential. How does the org handle an employee that moves back into an IC role Manager empathy Management is a duty you perform Having someone run a tiger team About today’s guest:  Bren is a hacker of things, smoker of meats, father of a brood of loud and often unruly children, and husband to his high-school sweetheart. When he's not playing music or working on a project, you can find him building, securing, and attacking cloud-native systems for Hypergiant. https://twitter.com/0xfraq https://www.linkedin.com/in/brenbriggs/ ________ Thank you so much for checking out this episode of The Tech Trek, and if you enjoyed this episode,  please take a minute and leave a quick rating and review on the Apple podcast app! Want to learn more about us? Head over at https://www.elevano.com Have questions or want to cover specific topics with our future guests? Please message me at  https://www.linkedin.com/in/amirbormand (Amir Bormand)