In this conversation with Michael Boler, we learn about how we might follow the Greeks in undertaking an integrated and embodied approach to liberal education.  How is liberal education an agon, a struggle, and a "return to the real"?  Why did the Greeks emphasize individual physical training (as opposed to team sports)?  Why do philosophy students smoke so much?  Why is a good teacher so important? How did we become "cacti in a sea of dopamine?" These and other questions animate our conversation. Honors Program, the University of Saint Thomas Michael Boler, An Introduction to Classical and New Testament Greek: A Unified Approach Michael Boler, “Screwtape’s Remedy for Love: C.S. Lewis and Ovid.” Michael Boler, with Felisa V. Reynolds, “Aristotle and Zazie.” Michael Boler, “The Violence of Autonomy: The Significance of Matthew 11:12 in Flannery O’Connor’s The Violent Bear It Away”