"Beyond Talking Points: An American Middle Podcast"' is a limited, 9-part series from The News' Opinion team leading up to the 2024 presidential election. In this first episode, contributing columnist and host Abby McCloskey talks with immigration expert Madeline Zavodny about Trump's promise of mass deportations, the problem of illegal immigration, the need for comprehensive immigration reform, the economic impact of immigration, and what to do about immigrants who are here.

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