In this interview with the US Ambassador to the Netherlands, Pete Hoekstra, we addressed the uprising in the aftermath of the brutal killing of George Floyd, while then moving on to focus on domestic policy towards Covid, and foreign policy towards China. For most people, it seems worrisome and obvious that the tensions between China and The United States are, and will continue to be, record high. The Ambassador has strong opinions on all these issues and the conversation is scintillating throughout, not least due to the interviewers, Elmer Hoogland and Sarah Bronkhurst.