There are many design build firms out there, but what is design manage, and could it work for you?In today’s podcast, I interview Josh Gillow, the host of the Outerspaces Podcast, who has been in the outdoor living business for over 25 years. Josh grew from doing a design build model into a design manage model. He’s much happier now, and shares what’s he’s learned with other landscape professionals in coaching programs, his podcast, and more. Check out today’s podcast to hear: how to grow your business during bear markets, how to handle sales conversations with clients now that interest rates have made money more expensiveAnd what does it mean to be a marketing company that also does landscaping Full transcript at: https://landscapersguide.com/podcast/Check out our upcoming events at: landscapersguide.com/events