Bruce Jones, director of the Project on International Order and Strategy of the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, joins the show to discuss seapower. 

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• 00:51 - Introduction 
• 01:17 - The importance of seapower today
• 06:45 - Innovation of container shipping and how that changed the global economy 
• 12:50 - China re-enters the seas 
• 16:54 - China’s security challenges at sea
• 22:44 - Shallow seas, narrow passages, and massive ships 
• 24:06 - China’s strategic interest in Taiwan  
• 26:10 - China’s alienation of potential allies  
• 29:08 - American strategic view of the Pacific Ocean
• 34:41 - Relations between the United States and India, specifically in terms of taking on China 
• 39:12 - Seapower theorist Alfred Thayer Mahan
• 44:55 - Comparing America’s quest for power at sea during the 20th century and China’s return to the sea today 
• 48:48 - The role of oceanography in nation-state power competition