Are men and women called to have the same kind of roles? Are women supposed to support men but not lead them, or lead alongside them? This is a sensitive ongoing discussion in the American Church. In this episode, author and esteemed theologian Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall joins Juli to discuss why this debate misses God’s heart for how men and women should relate to each other in the family of God.     Guest: Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall     Book: Neither Complementarian nor Egalitarian by Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewall Java with Juli: #470 Why Did We Start Hating Men? The Toxic War on Masculinity with Nancy Pearcey Blog: What Submission Isn’t Blog: So What Exactly Is Biblical Submission?