The Blue Economy Part 2 of my conversation with Kate D Adamson focuses on what ESG means for the shipping and maritime industry. We need to start talking about the Blue Economy and what opportunities lay there instead of the segments of everything like we do today. Once we change our mindset, that's when we can become a sustainable industry. Kate underlines that we need to pivot. We do that by Purpose/Values Interdependence Openness Trust There are so many titbits in this episode. It's worth listening to it more than once. But, first, you have to download and listen to the 194th episode. Please let me know what you think!