Bitcoin for Libertarian Socialists with Ben de Waal

Aug 30 2022 • 1hr 33m

Show Notes

“Left libertarianism, libertarian socialism, is the idea that you want to maximise freedom for people in general so maximising of liberty, that’s the libertarian part of it. And the socialist part of it is explaining that the best way to do that is with traditionally socialist structures, rather than more capitalist structures.”— Ben de WaalBen de Waal is the VP of Engineering for Swan Bitcoin. In this interview, we discuss living on bitcoin, what it means to be a libertarian socialist, the issues with capitalism and why Bitcoin should be a home for those on the left and the right. - - - - The last year has been marked by a growing interest in Bitcoin from progressives. A number of high-profile liberal names have emerged from within the community extolling the utility of Bitcoin. But, this is not a new phenomenon: the community has always been a home for the full spectrum of views. Further, there are important reasons why Bitcoin appeals to those on both the left and the right.Bitcoin has garnered a strong libertarian following. This was something Satoshi envisioned: in 2008 he stated in a post “It's very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly.” This was successful; there are many who have been attracted to the Bitcoin community for its potential to provide an alternative to state-controlled currency, and thereby limit the size of government. This alignment with the right has acted as a barrier to some on the left. But not all. The original cypherpunks philosophy was predicated on anarchist ideals, to work outside of government controls. This attitude is analogous to those on the left who feel disenfranchised by the current global capitalist hegemony. Bitcoin too offers those on the left a chance to opt-out of what they perceive to be a broken system. Increasing numbers are waking up to this opportunity.The issue is obviously that the left and the right have been at loggerheads for centuries. Over this time debate has evolved into grandstanding. Misconceptions have been allowed to fester on both sides. This has been supercharged by social media where the general aim now is to marginalise an opposing opinion rather than seek to analyse and potentially assimilate different ideas. If Bitcoin really is freedom money, then it needs to be a home to people of all opinions. The issue is that our society has become polarised; a winner takes all attitude has metastasized. We need to reaffirm the basis of a strong democratic system: a pluralistic society that tolerates and supports multiple centres of power. Where ideas are debated, solutions are found, and progress is made. We need the same philosophical approach as the United States' founding fathers.- - - - This episode’s sponsors:Gemini - Buy Bitcoin instantlyLedn - Financial services for Bitcoin hodlersBitcasino - The Future of Gaming is herePacific Bitcoin - Bitcoin‑only event, Nov 10 & 11, 2022Ledger - State of the art Bitcoin hardware walletCompass Mining - Bitcoin mining & hostingCake Wallet - Open-source, privacy-focused Bitcoin walletBCB Group - Global digital financial Services-----WBD547 - Show Notes-----If you enjoy The What Bitcoin Did Podcast you can help support the show by doing the following:Become a Patron and get access to shows early or help contributeMake a tip:Bitcoin: 3FiC6w7eb3dkcaNHMAnj39ANTAkv8Ufi2SQR Codes: BitcoinIf you do send a tip then please email me so that I can say thank youSubscribe on iTunes | Spotify | Stitcher | SoundCloud | YouTube | Deezer | TuneIn | RSS FeedLeave a review on iTunesShare the show and episodes with your friends and familySubscribe to the newsletter on my websiteFollow me on Twitter Personal | Twitter Podcast | Instagram | Medium | YouTubeIf you are interested in sponsoring the show, you can read more about that here or please feel free to drop me an email to discuss options.

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@omegaloki

10,000 sats

Aug 31 2022

another great interview — love the diverse thoughts you bring on.

@alltombitcoin

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Aug 31 2022

love WBD ✌😘

@sgtapple

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Aug 30 2022

thanks

@saentari

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@puddingtonbeer

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Sep 14 2022

I still appreciate you giving platform to alternative ideas. I learn either why I'm wrong, or how I can comfortably disagree. In this case I've learned that I'm one of the many who haven't properly understood the definition of "socialism", but I've also learned that I can comfortably disagree with some of Ben's ideas. Also, I think capitalism is about the management of resources, not explicitly the "accumulation of more stuff", though that can be a desirable result.

@puddingtonbeer

Sep 14 2022

I find it interesting that Ben supports unions as a necessary "bandaid" on a broken system that wouldn't be necessary if the system was "fixed", because I generally see socialism in a similar light; as an ill-conceived patch on a broken system. If you see capitalism as inherently degenerate then you'd probably see socialism as an imperfect improvement. I don't think we have pure and proper capitalism and a free market, so if we fix that then we don't need [as much if any] socialism, or unions.

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@changbang

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Aug 30 2022

keep stacking

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