Today's guest is Dr. Maureen O'Connell, an associate professor of theology at LaSalle University in Philadelphia and a clergy leader with POWER Interfaith. Maureen recently released a book titled, "Undoing the Knots: Five Generations of American Catholic Anti-Blackness." Maureen and I dig into the history behind the book, including how Irish Catholics learned to define themselves as Americans by rejecting Blackness, going back as far as 1820.