Vanner and Donna Johnson are a married couple, parents of two children, living in Utah. Vanner is a licensed attorney with a strong technology background, currently working in the financial industry in client success. Donna is an elementary educator. Kelly And Devin McNeil are a married couple who are 3 time IVF patients, with 2 failed cycles, then a successful pregnancy resulting in their now 13 year old son. They reside in Colorado. These two couples met because of an inexplicable IVF mix-up, forever connecting the two families. Together they are working to support their children and navigate the best path forward. Listen to Donna, Vanner, Devin and Kelly, as they discuss with Ellen: • How a fun night for the Johnson exploring ancestry through a DNA kit upended their lives. • Discovering Vanner was the genetic father of only one of their sons; results for their second son, conceived via IVF, read “father unknown.” • Facing their fears of the unknown – could the genetic father have rights to their child? • Seeking out the genetic father to support their son’s wishes. • The McNeils getting that call, sure at first that it must be a scam. • Learning the truth, and both families navigating what that truth would mean for the future of their children. • What they hope to gain from a legal action against the clinic. • Advice to families considering taking a DNA test