...and long time friend of the podcast Marcus Kowal stops by the podcast to play Over/Under Kevin for UFC 179. Marcus also talks about what its like to have a fighter on the card from his very own Systems Training Center. Raf went to the jiu-jitsu expo, Kevin did not, so thats what the first 20 minutes are about. Listen in, this podcast is great (thanks in large part to Marcus). Don't forget to join in on the fun @VerbalTapCast on all social media.