" I think it's important to be strategic going into the fringe and to have goals and to be very clear with yourself about what those goals are. But I think you need to phrase them in ways that can always come back to something you are in charge of.

So your goal can never be, I want to win an award, or I want to get a five star review because somebody else decides that. But you can, you know, move all those same things internally to be like, I want to make the kind of show where I have explored this thing, or I use this technique, or the audience has this sort of experience from it.

And then you just do that as well as you can really. " - Latest guest Comedian and Writer Joz Norris.

Joz is at the Edinburgh Fringe this year with his show You Wait.Time Passes. We discuss developing the show and how he sees his role as a director for a number of other performers.

We discuss creating work and getting it commissioned and how he used crowdfunding to create a pilot called The Happiness Chain.

We also talk about Eggbox, an occasional evening at Pleasance Theatre in London which mixes live script readings and short films as well as his weekly newsletter which covers a wide range of subjects around creativity and comedy. 

Tickets: https://www.edfringe.com/tickets/whats-on/joz-norris-you-wait-time-passes    

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/joznorris  

Website: https://www.joznorris.co.uk/ 

Newsletter: https://joznorris.substack.com/ 

Eggbox: https://www.instagram.com/eggboxcomedynight/ 

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