In our final episode of the series on ICE and gender, series co-editor Fernanda Santos interviews ICE Chief of Staff Michael Lumpkin to talk about ICE’s mission, what some see as strategic pitfalls, the treatment of trans migrants at detention centers, and the challenges and limitations of an overloaded system. Find an annotated transcript at our website here. Find more information—including transcripts and resource guides—visit 70MillionPod.com (Here). Follow @70MillionPod.