Damon, Jordan & Tony are curious about homophobia within the Black Church. This episode covers the institution that has had a huge impact on the history of African Americans, the Black Church. Why has the Black Church been so slow to openly embrace its Queer members? We discuss our favorite gospel club anthems, our history going (or not) to church, our views on spirituality vs religion, and delve into our guests journey from homophobic seminary student to a leader in affirming Queer people within his church. During this episode we welcome Michael A. Walrond Jr., Senior Pastor of First Corinthian Baptist Church, into our Surface Level family. We discuss what he believes it means to truly be inclusive in religion. If nothing else Pastor Mike is a story teller, he walks us through his journey of specific instances in his life that are sure to move our audience. Many Queer people have given upon the church but Pastor Mike definitely offers a counter point to the trauma we’ve experienced. This is a different type of conversation for us this week but come along as Surface Level takes you to church. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices