Andre Whitley has spent a bigger part of his life advocating for healthier food and food systems. Particularly focusing on sour dough bread. He is running two projects: Bread Matters and Scotland the Bread currently. Andrew takes on a journey from bread through Russian literature studies right through the heart of our sustainability crisis, a profound critique of our current relationship to technology as it stands and some clear sighted insights about deconstructive science and the illusion that we know how our world works. To discover the world through a loaf of bread would be an alternative title to this episode this rich conversation touched on so many important topics. Enjoy. Host: Amit Paul