Sam Jockel (LinkedIn) came on the show. The founder of ParentTV and the producer of SEEN the film. Our conversation touched in on what parenting may be, both for yourself and for your kids. How does one become a parent? We speak of trauma as something that didn't happen rather than what happened and we speak of what it takes to recover warmth. How seeing your kids, being with them is what parenting is about rather than what you do. This is a wonderfully deep, personal and concrete conversation. It comes with a strong recommendation to actually see the film. It'll be worth it.