What do we do with this time of lockdown? How can we use it in ways that will lead us to a more flourishing world, without guilt-tripping ourselves or adding pressure to an already-pressured time?  Nathalie Nahai of The Hive podcast and Manda Scott of Accidental Gods, share thoughts, feelings and explore the edges of being.  Nathalie's humanity, and her deep, broad grasp of psychology, particularly the psychology of online influences and the ethics around them, informs all of her work. In this conversation, we explore together what lockdown means, and how we might grasp this moment in ways that will leave all of us better when it's over, but that won't leave us guilt-tripped or (even more) exhausted.  We explore what it means to be human. How to transcend the moment and the psychology of pleasure versus happiness.  Join us, and enjoy… I'll put up a meditation as a podcast after this, but if you want more, deeper, try here: https://accidentalgods.life/what-if-imagining-the-new-future-our-hearts-know-is-possible/