Kelly and Kate Bowler dive into that phrase so often offered up to explain bad stuff: "everything happens for a reason." Kate is a divinity professor at Duke University and the bestselling author of three books.  She has a beloved podcast called Everything Happens.  At a time when so much feels unexplainable, Kate and Kelly wonder if this phrase offers actual comfort or does just the opposite. In this poignant and, strangely, also often hilarious, conversation, Kelly and Kate discuss the difference between finding meaning and making meaning, a life skill we'd all be well served to develop.

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