Ditte Lysgaard Vind is a design practicioner, teacher and author deeply immersed in circular design. We speak of the a number of the importance of weaving together products, materials and business model. Circularity as a tool not an end in itself. Measurements of various parameters and why CO2 is a critical indicator right now. We speak of the shift form Exchange to Use value in our accounting and what that would entail and about the two fundamental principles that we need to practice: Stay with the trouble and Get tactile! This is a wonderful conversation on everything circular. If you want to get in touch with Ditte and go deeper visit: https://www.thecircularway.com