It was great, as well as timely, to have Vice Deputy Leader of the Portuguese Socialist Party (Party of Govt), Joao Pina, back on the the tortoise shack. His government are currently undergoing another reshuffle as resignations and allegations engulf the body politic. We talk all about it, the health service under pressure, their ambitions for 2023 (a year of big plans) and the extreme climate events experienced their in the last few months. As always, Joao, is very open and honest. For lots of additional plea-free podcasts please join us at patreon.com/tortoiseshack