According to Andrew Liveris, effective leaders can’t ignore the disruptive era we’re living in; they have got to embrace it. Ilham and Andrew have a fascinating conversation about disruption AND sustainable leadership, exploring the threat of short-termism, the need for inclusive capitalism, and the importance of purposeful leaders.Timestamps02:03 - Growing up in an ethnic family unit08:19 - Chemistry is part of the everyday12:42 - Explaining the mindset of the 5Ds19:00 - Recreating yourself as a leader25:49 - The epidemic of short-termism28:58 - The need for inclusive capitalism34:00 - The importance of human revolution40:11 - Hopes for future leaders For additional details about the podcast, show notes, and access to resources mentioned during the show, please visit https://www.syensqo.com/en/podcast