Dallas Police To TV Star on First 48, To a Salt Water Fishing Captain. The Forensic Interview. Starting as a police officer in Dallas, he rose to become a Homicide Detective and later gained fame as a TV star on the A&E series "First 48". Renowned for his forensic interview expertise, he retired from the Dallas Police Department to teach forensic interviewing to Federal Agents. Simultaneously, he pursued his passion for saltwater fishing and now works as a charter boat captain in Georgia. Listen to this for free in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, our website or most major podcast platforms. In this podcast episode, John Palmer, our guest, shares his remarkable journey, including his experiences investigating multiple murders committed by a member of the prison gang, the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas. Collaborating with detectives from the Dallas and Mesquite Police Departments, John played a pivotal role in arresting this individual involved in several brutal killings. On August 1, 2006, the suspect murdering a man by slitting his throat, wrapping him in a chain-link fence, and dumping him in the Trinity River bottoms. Shortly after, the suspect witnessed the torture, sexual assault, and strangulation of an innocent woman in his kitchen. Her body was then folded into a plastic tub, covered with cement, and disposed of in Lake Ray Hubbard. Dallas Police To TV Star on First 48, To a Salt Water Fishing Captain. The Forensic Interview. Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, our website or most major podcast platforms. Following a police chase, the murderer expressed a desire to die in a shootout, but his girlfriend saved his life by refusing to let him die. The police arrested five other members of the Aryan Brotherhood crew that day. The next day, the group leader was captured in New Mexico. Seven members were charged with the murders of Anthony Ormwell Clark and Breanna Taylor. These grisly murders shocked the quiet Mesquite neighborhood and drew significant attention even in Dallas, known for its high crime rate. The brutality and sophistication of the killings highlighted the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas's dangerous reach beyond prison walls and into the suburbs. Dallas Police To TV Star on "First 48", To a Salt Water Fishing Captain. The Forensic Interview. You can listen to this in Apple Podcasts, our website, Spotify or most major podcast platforms. The main suspect accepted a plea bargain, agreeing to two concurrent life sentences in exchange for dropping the murder charges against his girlfriend. In this podcast episode, John Palmer talks about the realities of police work, particularly homicide investigations, and the media's misconceptions about the interview process. He also discusses his transition from policing to teaching forensic interviews and becoming a saltwater fishing charter captain in Georgia. 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