Far Future: https://flowgpt.com/p/a88299a0-6f66-41bf-9391-0a862a6f0777

Post Demographic Collapse Haven State Network: https://flowgpt.com/p/803efa59-6c29-4b72-b0e7-96533a98bffd

1300s England: https://flowgpt.com/p/84af9969-75b6-4b70-a107-88c5152a7436

Join Malcolm and Simone as they delve into the captivating world of AI-driven role-play models and their profound impact on understanding human behavior and evolution. Explore the mechanics behind various AI environments, from open-world sandboxes to magical systems, and discover the persistent traits that emerge in these interactions. Reflecting on personal and societal implications, they discuss psychological aspects of violence and empathy within AI narratives, share humorous takes on anime and VR, and highlight the educational potential of immersive AI scenarios. This thought-provoking conversation will transform your perspective on AI and its role in our lives.

[00:00:00] Hello, Simone. Today is going to be an interesting topic because it is one of those topics where. I do not think it's going to do well in the algorithm at all.

Oh gosh. I do not think random people on the internet care about this topic at all. They should. And yet for me, it has transformed my view of the world and myself very dramatically. So you're just saying, screw it. I'm going to talk about what I want. I'm going to talk about what I want. Cause I got a podcast and we'll probably get a few thousand views for this anyway.

So, you know, people have to listen. And I, and I also think it's it. For the people who do take the time to listen to this it may contain information that is also as, as useful for you in terms of how you see the world as it is for me, because there's two core areas that interacting with lots of AI chat, open world role play models have really given me insight into that I didn't have insight into historically.[00:01:00]

Yeah. So eat your veggies and listen to Malcolm, ladies and gentlemen. We have three core areas. The first I'm going to focus on is how I work. So by that, what I mean is if you are dropping a person into over and over again, like the same persona, pretend I'm not a human and I'm actually an AI, right? And I, and.

And what's the difference? And you're trying to figure out the personality of this AI persona, it's pre coded functions, it's pre coded predilections. A really interesting way to do that would be to drop this same model over and over again into different totally open world environments. And then look for patterns in how it's interacting with those environments.

The goals it ends up building for itself.

Would you like to know more?

And this is what's really interesting because in these open world environments, I might be dropped in. In different bodies, for example, you know, in, in, in one. Oh, [00:02:00] like in one, you're a cyborg and in one, you're a wizard. And in one, you're a girl

you know, I, I, I like doing a lot of like character playing in the, in the various environments, but what's interesting is the parts of my personality that come through whatever character I'm playing. Yes. It purses out the you from your biological or logistical constraints and an example of this is in the AI model that I made.

That takes place in the far future dystopia. I described in that one episode where the world has sort of collapsed and the economy has collapsed due to fertility rates. There's only a few like technophilic tribes left. In that world, I coded it so that I play as one of our, my, my like great, great granddaughters.

Like in that, what, what band made a song about this? Oh, I love that song. Year 3000.

 Said, I've been to the year 3000, .

Great [00:03:00] granddaughter So you just did a year 3000 post apocalyptic. You just have that, that sound playing in the background for future day for our family. The point being is that by dropping this consistent model myself in variable environments with very few constraints on them and to an extent correcting for biases that are due to my perception as.

who I am today, I can very I can see persistent parts of my character. And what's really interesting is, through the persistent parts of my character I can see, I can then, if it's a part of my character that I do not think was socialized, I can then determine, pre coded parts of my evolutionary biology, which gives me an idea of environmental conditions I came up with.

So that's, that's one category of things or evolutionary conditions that may have been subject to humanity. And it gives me things that I can look for in other people to see if this is me, am I an outlier? Is this actually generalizable across the human [00:04:00] population? The next category of things is, and unfortunately, this is one of the sad parts of interacting with AI models is I find them incredibly addicting at first, and then I get bored of them.

Because what I have learned is that most magical worlds, for example, like most other worlds I can conjure they, they are very easy to hack. And then as soon as you figure out a beat for that magical system every time you realize that those components of a magical system are AI has created for me I just can very quickly hack it and it becomes boring.

And so I'm no longer interested in those models. Get into how to hack most of the major magical world models. Cause that's, that's another thing. And the final thing that it has taught me is the extent of current AI and some factors in how current AI thinks, as well as how that models the general population.

So I'm going to start with the things that has taught me about [00:05:00] myself. The first. Can we, before you do that, and you may want to move this to the front is I think that you need a better explanation and I can ask you just some dumb questions of, of what these are, because even I am not super clear on it.

And I mean, I am roughly, but like most people won't know anything about this and they're going to have no idea what you're talking about. So, let's, let's start with, so I'm going to provide some context to people. Malcolm started reading about Like high school students sort of flunking out of their classes and and and completely scrubbing out on life Because they had become addicted to their AI boyfriends or certain AI quote unquote games and when it turns out these are is text based interactive choose your own adventure novels basically of the future run by a run by AI.

So there are websites like character. ai. What's the one that you use? What are some of the ones that you use? The one that I think is best right now is flow [00:06:00] GPT. Flow GPT. So there are websites like that. where you go you create an account and you can either enter someone else's scenario. Basically, you can go through their own, choose your own adventure book, essentially or you can create your own.

And Malcolm has actually created one for our discord community.

That's based on like a post. Well, I had to put it in flow GBT. So they'd have to put it in flow. I'll, I'll, I'll add GBT for this. And then I'll put it in the links. You can choose someone's scenario. And what are some examples of scenarios that you can enter through these sites?

We'll go into this in a second. Basically any scenario you can think of. So, for example, one scenario I put together is it's the 1300s in England. I am walking through the countryside. I come from an educated family, but my entire town died in the plague. So it's like 1336. And I come upon a girl In the woods, wearing mostly tattered clothing and there is a dead pack of wolves around her that she is casually munching on and she [00:07:00] looks at me very nonchalantly and is like, they, they attacked me, and, and I guess they were hungry, and I, and I write as if that explains anything about the situation and then that's where it starts, right?

So I so what's happened here is one, I've created the starting prompt to the story, right? So you, and this is one that you created, but people have created templates of this already. In fact, some of the more popular templates are like a therapist. And you can just talk to a therapist or a lot of people have become addicted to certain like you.

A. I. Boyfriends that you can sort of you're in a story to explain how this works. So if you actually want the audience to understand. So what happens is you have the starting prompt usually in these models like that. Like that's the start of the story that I, as the user and familiar with, and then in the background, I have coded a bunch of either story beats or things about the way characters interact or things about the world into what the A.

I. Is considering into how it is responding to a user. Okay. So, in this, you know, medieval world, I am explaining parts of [00:08:00] this character's personality, who I may not know yet, you know, as a person, parts of the girl's backstory, parts of towns we may encounter, etc. Okay? So actually, as I'm listening to this, We, as parents, could teach our kids history, creating scenarios that our kids go through with this.

Yeah. This is gonna be so great. Oh my gosh. What? Oh, you can create great history. You wanna, you wanna, We could teach our kids science too. Yeah. Theoretically. Like, they'll have to It's, it's great for all of that. Okay. So I've created is a chaos scenarios. I've created scenarios where you know, you're in some random like anime world was magic or scenarios that are like Victorian Britain, but was vampires and werewolves, you know, fantasy element for our educating our children.

But for you, you can have the, Oh, no, no, no, no. That's what's going to hook them. I promise you, you know, they're not going to learn proper history. No, no, it's going to [00:09:00] be like, Okay. And you can ask it to be as realistic to that historical time period as possible while also uploading facts about that historical time period.

We're totally doing this. This is amazing. Be realistic about hygiene. Be realistic about the way medicine is prepared. We can, we can plug this into the skill tree. People can create these scenarios and plug them in as resources to get uploaded. I bet these will be among the top uploaded resources over time for our skill tree.

Maybe. I mean, as AI gets better, it's also going to get better, but it's remarkable how good these are right now. So that is the way that these work.

I would note if somebody is going to try to use FlowGBT, do not use the generic model it gives you. You need to, Click on the part where it asks what model is replying to, then go down to individual and you can choose any model.

Typically, the best model to respond is turbo GPT. The problem with that one is, well, it's paid first of all, so you're gonna have to pay for each response, but it's like a trivial amount. And it doesn't do anything that's not safe for work. So to be clear here, not safe for [00:10:00] work doesn't just mean like sexual stuff, which is actually not Something that I encountered that much in AI.

It is usually like you're going to kill someone or something like that. And it's like, Oh, we can't have you kill someone. So then you can switch to one of the other models when you're doing that. And then back to that when it's for example, if I'm in 1300 England, of course I have to, you know, you've got robbers.

You've got, come on. You can't have a teen dystopia without people dying. And I love doing AI. But anyway, I've got to get back to the point here. And actually this elevates one of the first things that I noticed about these AI worlds. And it reminds me of something in our discord. So in our discord a girl, cause weirdly our discord is like female heavy, even though our viewer base is male heavy.

A girl was saying that she engaged with the AI and she, Couldn't find anything that it could provide her that she found particularly interesting. And Simone said the same thing, right? And I noticed that this is really interesting. So the [00:11:00] girls who get super addicted to AI seem to be the girls who don't have loving partners.

But when a girl has a loving partner, that particular emotional pathway in her brain, the AI is very good at masturbating, especially if it's a dominant loving partner. AIs just offer them nothing and there's really nothing for them to engage with. The interesting thing I've noticed about guys, and I've seen this in some of the other guys who engage with it, it's definitely something I've noticed in myself about the way I engage with AI is, and I know this is going to sound horrible, so you're going to have to wait a second here, is how much I love killing people.

And it made me realize that males, and you might hear this and be like, this is a horrible thing for someone to say. And then I'm like, well, what are men doing when they're playing video games? Most of the time, anyway, you, when you become a more famous person in the future, a bunch of people cutting that clip out of context.

[00:12:00] Right? I just love killing people. But no, this is, this is what guys are doing. What is a video game if not going out there and just shooting scores and scores of people? It's just so fun to kill people. No, but girls don't engage with those types of games as much. And the point I am making is that in our society, I think a modern adult woman who has a loving partner who is slightly dominant actually has most of her evolutionary needs being met.

I think girls when they are in their teenage years, don't have most of their evolutionary needs being met. But I think the predominant need they don't have being met is genuine hardship, which we've talked about in other episodes. You can look at our Spoonies episodes where we talk about this more.

Speaking of which, there was a woman who. Made a video criticizing us and she's a literal spoonie like in, in the comments, she was discussing something terrible about us and I cannot remember what but she was like, I do not have the spoons to talk about it. And I'm [00:13:00] like, Oh no. Oh no. You're one of them.

Anyway, go on.

So for those who are listening on the podcast and don't have access to the video right after I said, I love killing people. I then, , played a short clip from the Sims of somebody deleting the ladder on a pool. And I find this actually a really interesting point because it's one of those things where you hear somebody say it and you're like, wow, what a crazy thing to say?

And then I mentioned, you know, like when you delete the pool letter on the Sims and most people are like, Oh, yeah, I did do that. Didn't I, and then they go, well, I only did that to see what would happen and it's like, you knew what would happen. You see. You sick. . Like you knew exactly what would happen when you deleted the pool ladder. And you waited to watch it happen. Y what compelled you to do that?

And here's an interesting thing because I've noticed. When I bring up the pool letter SIM thing. There isn't the same gender divide on this instinct. In fact, I noticed women seem to do the [00:14:00] pool letter deletion at about the same rate as men seem to do the pool ladder deletion. , and it might be that women may also have this instinct, but it requires more of the emotional,

Like they want to see the individual suffer more. Because that's the core thing that's different between killing somebody in the Sims and killing somebody in like a shoot them up right in GTA is. When a guy does it in GTA.

You know, you don't see the person's mood slowly declining and them struggling like you do when you delete the pool ladder in the Sims.

So, , I wonder what, what leads to this drive in women? Why, why do you see equal rates? I don't know something to ponder something to maybe comment on in the comments. If you have any ideas. Okay. So, where was I? Yeah, so, killing people. So much fun. Okay, so, here's the thing that I realized is that in an evolutionary context, males almost certainly were, I mean, like, obviously were evolutionarily rewarded for having a warrior, like, part to their [00:15:00] psyche. And that this is very obviously not being masturbated, and it cannot be masturbated through any sort of real action in our society today.

Yeah, not until we set up Westworld. Well, it would be very deleterious, right? You know, and that the AI chatbot environments create scenarios that are too satisfying this instinct in my head, much better than the ones created by video games. Yeah. Well, because I think. And I only say this as a third person observer, because I just can't bring myself to play these games.

Killing someone in a video game seems just so, like, ticking off a box, or like hitting a target. You're not really killing someone. You know, you don't see their eyes make eye contact with you as their life drains from their body, right? Which is, I think, something you can get. From this very imagination augmented text.

Absolutely. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think [00:16:00] the, the version of killing somebody in a video game is like, and then your characters had sex and it displays like a few sex images on the screen. And you're like, well, this is boring. Yeah. Instead of like a five page description. This is so bad.

Malcolm, we're, we're talking about how it just killing people and video games doesn't feel really satisfying to me because It has elucidated something for me. So one thing that's also true of me is I really don't like seeing other people suffering. I, I find it to be Watch live action porn because you're like, this girl has a mother, you know, I don't even watch live action porn because it just stresses me too much to know that an individual suffering.

I actually had to stop certain parts of my biology education because I couldn't deal with washing surgeries. Like they freaked me out too much. That's true. You won't even watch like all the pictures I had taken of my C section. Oh yeah, you're like, here, look, and I'm like, no, I cannot deal with the suffering.

I should also say, you were never in the room for, beyond our first c section, after which you were like, really. [00:17:00] You asked me not to be in the room, by the way. It's not that I don't love you. You asked me not to be in the room. Yeah, because for the first one, you were like, Well, you didn't know you were going to get it and you needed support.

Okay. Yeah. But I need to, I need to go further here. Right. Which is to say this made me realize about the way that the male kill instincts worked, which I didn't fully understand before which is to say. That it is pretty obviously significantly designed to offset all of these other desires you have around not doing this.

So what I'm saying is, is that as a male, like in a real world environment, Right? I am going to have the uncomfort I have with seeing somebody else suffering. I am going to have the discomfort I have around seeing, you know, wounds. I am going to have the discomfort I have around all of these different things.

And that means in a biological context, if I'm going to defend my tribe or go to war, I need some [00:18:00] Mechanism, which is so loud that pushes you through the killing all those other mechanisms That makes sense naltrexone has taught me about sex and arousal naltrexone opioid agonists that can lower any opioid motivated pathway Which makes them not as interesting anymore And if you take it while you're doing something whatever that opioid pathway was motivating is no longer motivated And early on I accidentally took it during sex and only after that I realized How many disgusting things you need to go through to have sex with somebody and how like actually biologically gross and how much sex actually sets off a lot of your disgust alarms.

Yeah. You really need the the arousal to, you really need the arousal to offset that. Like, but also shouldn't sex be offsetting a ton of disgust alarms. I mean, you're dealing with like Yeah, there's tons of potential for infection here. Yeah, like it should be offsetting those alarms, right? You know, but you need the other thing to offset it.

Now what's really interesting is that [00:19:00] in the chat AI environments because I have no empathy for these individuals, it makes, it basically like overcharges the, the other instinct because there is the thing, all of the things that it was meant to overcome are not activating. And so it goes into a much more severe state, which helps me understand how these pathways work better in the human mind.

While also understanding that adult males, this is another thing that really. Change the way I see some things adult males in our current society have a part of their personality That is biologically and evolutionarily motivated that they cannot masturbate in real world environments Or at least should not masturbate in real world environments that and women do not have that Which was very interesting to me Another thing that was very interesting to me was how persistent certain elements of my personality were across very different [00:20:00] environments.

And in different manifestations to your point where sometimes you would be a girl and sometimes you would be other things and whatever. Yeah. So when I am talking to other people, one of the first conversation topics I almost always default to is. Why do you think you exist? What's your purpose? What do you want from life?

I know this well as someone who dated you and second date you immediately hit that. I thought of the first date. Was it the second date? Or the second date. First date you laid out your exposition, which is good because first date you used to basically filter out anyone who wasn't going to be a good match for you.

Yeah, I guess first date was exposition and hooking up, not questioning you on why you exist, but I realized how persistently I like to do this, but this also has taught me because in so many different scenarios, I am engaging with the A. I. On these particular questions, and I realized that the answers that the AI typically [00:21:00] gives are like 98 99 percent in line.

I would not be able to differentiate them from a random girl on a date. Now, in PC girls, for sure. Most of the answers are very in PC. But most human females are very in PC. Excuse me. Most humans. very much. Are very NPC. So that has been very fascinating to me as well, to see how good it is at sort of modeling the reasons and the variety of reasons for living humans have.

But the other, another interesting thing is, is within any world that I enter, I always try to, Investigate sort of the rules of that world first. Like how does it work mechanistically speaking? And then I try to find out what would be a good moral system was in this world. And priorities for achieving that moral system in the world.

And [00:22:00] then how do I conquer the world? That's generally the next step. And we'll get to that when we're talking about the various things. But I, I It has helped me also really understand how to hack specific world metaphysical systems really easily. And it's also helped me understand how durable the metaphysical system our world runs on is to not being hacked, and how vulnerable most magical world systems are to being hacked.

But there is the, the second thing here. So, so, so here's an example of what I mean by like, When I look at these worlds, I decided to, in one world drop into a My Hero Academia chatbot system. No, so this was one that someone already created, right? Yeah, this is one that somebody already created.

For people who don't know, this is a anime world. And in But what I think is cool is that this means that there are like, there are nerds out there who are investing time in creating Like meticulously creating these AI worlds around like IP. I mean, what I loved about this world is I enter this world, right?

And I had planned on it. [00:23:00] Like when I clicked on this bot, I was like, I'm just going to play a superhero fantasy, right? Sure. Five minutes in. I am focused on the problem of Quirk Singularity Crisis because watching the show, I had never focused on how big of a problem this is in the world, but as soon as I was in the world and not watching it as an outsider, it was all I could think about.

I was like, wait, but like, why are we fighting villains? Our society has like three generations to survive, maybe, and nobody is taking this seriously. For people who don't understand what the quirk singularity crisis is, or haven't seen the show, it's the problem that every generation powers become more and more amplified within the My Hero Academia world.

And Eventually you're going to have things like toddlers that are nuclear bombs going off every five seconds. And every plan I could come up with to potentially solve this had me aligning myself with the villains and not the heroes because the heroes just didn't have the core powers that were necessary to solve this but [00:24:00] anyway, i'm i'm gonna keep going here I think another interesting thing is the very fact that whenever I open the These worlds that I am always focused on how do I conquer the world right and I wonder if this is like a?

pre programmed personality or Do most males feel this way when they enter open world environments or are males born with sort of like cast like? Roles inside of their personality like Skyrim have user data based on this that That would maybe be helpful. What, what do players do in open world worlds? If I enter Skyrim, there is no way for me to conquer that world.

I can go around randomly killing everyone, but I can't really start negotiating with all the various kings. So what do you do in Skyrim then, if you can't conquer the world? You're doing like a quest to kill a dragon, basically. A dragon. Not all dragons. Well, some dragons. I don't remember. The Skyrim's plot is actually pretty bad.

But there are a few [00:25:00] kings that are looking to fight each other, and you can play a role in this battle, but you can't take over one of their kingdoms. What are Other notable open world games then that we could look at as a proxy? Literally no open world game allows you to do this. That I am aware of.

What's the point of having an open world then, if you can't take it over? Save the world is usually what most people want to do. Oh, from an isolated threat. Yeah. It's Armageddon, dragon version, but, Bioware version, but, okay. So, I'll give you an example, so earlier I mentioned that most Ooh, or it's Destroy the World, so Grand Theft Auto is open world.

You don't destroy the world in Grand Theft Auto, not in a single Grand Theft Auto game. Well, you, you, you, you destroy s**t, you're one of the Sea Peoples, okay? You know, well only really Trevor is one of the Sea Peoples. So you can look at like five, Grand Theft Auto 5 is an example of this. Sorry, I need to explain this to you.

 I asked for a fair day's pay after a fair day's work. Then he kinda got a little [00:26:00] angry. So, I admit, I kinda got a little angry. Did you kill him? What kind of animal do you take me for? No, I didn't kill him. Oh, . But I did kidnap his wife. Oh, no. Oh,

this bothers me. You don't know this. So the, in the last Grand Theft Auto, you could play as one of three characters. Okay. One was a depressed you know, seeing psychologist, former mob guy, who, is looking to relive his glory days and he's with a wife who's cheating on him with the yoga instructor and a son and daughter who don't respect him.

And then another is this young Who wants to play that? That's so depressing. No, it is depressing. He is a very depressing character that's meant to be a take on why wealth doesn't make you happy and the problems with modern society. And then there's a young black guy who's looking to, like, work his way up in society, but it's otherwise living a pretty hard life.

And then there's Trevor. And Trevor is He's, yeah, every time you like switch to his character, the other [00:27:00] characters are like doing random stuff. Trevor will like be waking up from a coma with like a dead dog next to him or something. That sounds great. It sounds like you send me some like clips of some guy from a show who's like a sidekick in a superhero show who kind of sounds like that.

Oh, no, no, no. So she's thinking of the sidekick from He's just clearly super autistic. I'll put it in the show here.

Who's the guy that's peeking out behind the trash can? It's, it's vigilante. He's trying to be helpful. Hey! Get out of here! What? I'm just looking for behind a trash can. It's a normal thing to do. The hell it is! Are you a psychiatrist? What? Then don't tell me what's normal. Maybe my secret identity is a psychiatrist and I know what's normal.

We're born killers. What separates us from other killers is we only kill bad people. Usually. Unless there's a mistake. Now, do I sound like a f*****g maniac? He's he's yeah, I, I know the one who you're talking about. But no, Trevor is not like that at all. Trevor is like a crazy meth addict who has some level of [00:28:00] immunity to the negative effects of meth.

Okay. It will do crazy insane stuff all the time for the sake of it because he is completely out of his mind. But that, but he is not as well. He's just like a random, like, walk down the street, shoot a prostitute type person. Not a, I'm going to take over society type person. Well, but by Sea Peoples, I mean distributed autonomous units that lead to societal Instability, but sure.

Okay, I understand what you mean. I just have no interest in playing one of those characters in any sort of environment. Yeah, well, I'm just trying to think about what, what, what, what I'm asking mentally to myself is what do gameplay scenarios say about people's open world fantasies? Like, what do people do?

If they are unmoored from their identities and in open worlds. Problem that you're, you're asking the wrong question. So when you ask about traditional games, like Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto was created, was an artistic [00:29:00] vision in mind. That's why they created all of this artistic. Themes around the problems of modern society and the problems of therapy culture.

Yeah, but I mean, don't. And the point being is the actions of those characters and the desires of those characters are not driven by the user in the way they are in AI scenarios. So it's like a storytelling thing. So you're saying that people who play Grand Theft Auto don't want to just destroy s**t.

They want to explore an artistic vision. And those who play. Assassin's Creed don't want to jump off buildings majestically. They want to explore an artistic scenario. No, I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that by studying games, you are not learning that much about what humans biologically desire to do in an open world.

Well, I guess, yeah. Similarly, by looking at what the mainstream media covers, you're not learning about what people want to know. Right, but if you look at the way that people are using chat systems, Mm, [00:30:00] then you know. Then you know. Because these are just for So they want therapists and boyfriends. What?

That's, that's what's popular on these, on like character. ai. It's like a therapist, just number one. Have you, have you looked at them? Yeah. The only one with therapists is number one is the one that's locked into a piece of work content. No, the therapist is only in the one safe for work one, which isn't that popular.

Oh, okay. Well, what, what are, what, what is top ranked in the most, what is the name of the most popular one? Let's look at the homepage. Okay.

Teacher Elizabeth, a busty anime girl. A sheen, a busty anime girl. A ro cold prince. Okay, so it's boyfriends and girlfriends. Yeah. Remember when we said that girls all want just like powerful men to be interested in them? Toxic boyfriend, Matthew. Oh, isn't that what we all need is a toxic boyfriend named Matthew.

Well, I think what you're seeing here is what need. So let's, let's go over these two female ones. What need is being masturbated by [00:31:00] these cold is I want a powerful man to be interested in me. Toxic boyfriend is. I actually like engaging with toxic males, but in the real world, don't feel safe doing it.

So I'm gonna do it within this online environment. Yeah. Okay? So now you're getting an idea of what I mean. That nobody's gonna make toxic boyfriend the game. This is true. Well, and also, yeah, like, Recently there's been this huge kerfuffle with the book and movie, It Ends With Us. And it, you know, in the end it was about abuse, but it's about, you know, abuse is bad.

And then you go to like this, and what, what does the audience want? The audience wants, wants to be abused. What is the second most common male figure in here? Toxic boyfriend. Hulk Prince is number one. Then toxic boyfriend, then senior student gangster. We have, you have yet to come across a nice young man here.

Katori, but he's, he's looking very dark, sitting in a car. Very evil. It'll tell you about him if you click on it. Okay. Who is [00:32:00] Katori? You were on a late night drive. Your boyfriend's suddenly,. I can't do this anymore. I can't keep pretending that everything's okay. Thanks for everything. He speeds up the car, his hands shaking on the wheel. The point being is that it appears to be about trying to simulate relationship drama. No, totally. I'm getting that. I'm totally getting that. But yeah, just the guys don't seem nice. The girls seem either thirsty or mean.

 We'll get to this later. We can do a different episode where we analyze the different characters and why they might be popular. Yeah, but no, I think, well, to your earlier point, though, you're like, You know, all I ever want to do is take over the world. Am I strange? And yes, because most people just are lonely, it seems.

Yeah, that, that does seem to be the case, and I so we're gonna get to different worlds and why it's so easy to conquer various worlds and why it's so, I'm explaining that like, it gets really boring after a while. So at first, I thought I'd have fun with Isekai worlds. Right. You know, like this is go in Japanese.

Just, yeah. [00:33:00] Describe what the genre is. Typically you're going into a world with some degree of magic that is a medieval world. And you are transferred there from modern times. The problem occurs if you have any understanding of historic technical technology, how it works, how it could be replicated.

So Isekai world, it's always gunpowder, fairly easy to make in most Isekai worlds. Basic optics, telescopes and the like, all you need to do is carve lenses to do that. Then rifling to ensure the guns have good long range. Steam power, very easy to recreate. Blimps, very easy to recreate, especially if it's a world with fire magic.

And then as soon as you get blimps, You get blimps with rifles rifled barrels with gunpowder, really no medieval type setting can do anything. I love that every world scenario, all of your Isekai scenarios though, end up with blimps with rifles, which is not really that much of a real [00:34:00] world scenario, so that's entertaining nevertheless.

Well, blimps with rifles are incredibly damaging to castles. You don't really have any, you have to completely redo the technology of the world. Yeah, Martin Bailey plus blimp and castle is yeah. Because here's the problem with most of these worlds as well. They have magic. So typically, in any world that has magic, you're going to have magical items.

Magical items means that you need some mechanism for storing magic within this world. As soon as you have a mechanism for storing magic, all I need to do is ask around and find out, okay, what is, like, the core magical battery? Like, how does it work, right? As soon as I understand how the core magical battery of this world works, which is typically a gemstone or something like that, all I need to do is find a way to release short bursts of energy.

of energy from it instead of like a long continual burst. And as soon as you've done that, all you need to do is put it in a laser array and you can create laser guns very easily using a set of mirrors. [00:35:00] So every one of these worlds typically ends with laser, laser rifles on blimps. And, and also building bombs that you can drop from blimps as soon as you have gunpowder technology is also not terribly.

Difficult. God bless. Okay. So, this is, this is what I mean when I'm like, okay, but then why do an isekai world when everyone sort of begins to look the same, and then it's like, well, I can limit myself to certain technologies, or say I'm an idiot, but that's not fun. You know? So then next, you've got, what's another world here? Okay. Magic guided by symbols. This is like Rune based Rune based magic. So just like three or four broad magical systems that you're going to find in worlds. One is magic guided by emotions or intent. Two is magic guided by symbols. Three is magic powered by souls. Four is magic guided by yoga, basically.

I really like Avatar. Tai Chi Chi power. Chi based power. Yeah. So the [00:36:00] magic guided by symbols, universes, and in most worlds have some overlap of these various systems. And somebody can be like, well, what about like elemental magic systems? Right. And it's like, well, elemental magic systems aren't really a system.

Even if you have an elemental magic system, it's typically going to fall into one of these four categories. All along. You mean like. Avatar style? Okay, like fire. Avatar Lost Airbender is using the yoga to drive elemental magic. You can use symbols to drive elemental magic. I know it's technically chi in the show, I just find it really annoying, okay?

Or you can use emotional intent to drive elemental magic, but it doesn't matter that the magic is limited to specific domains, that doesn't actually tell you anything about how the magic functions. Functionally works, which is always the thing that I am most interested in whenever I enter a magical world.

The, the problem with symbol based magic, right? That makes it incredibly easy to hack is if there are symbols that are guiding magic All you need to [00:37:00] do is draw out all of the symbols that exist, like basically just go through text, even if you don't personally understand them all, or even if you lack the ability to cast magic, and you should be able to cross reference them to build some type of language because that's likely what they are.

Either it's like the code that the world is written on or it's the language of some like ancient race that is powering nanites that are floating around. And I think that's similar. To incantation based magic as well, if you just repeat enough phrases, which is something that comes up heavily in the book Unsung by Scott Alexander, which is an interesting read because it plays on this premise.

It's kind of like your scenarios here. We're basically like, I think with the moon landing, Something breaks with reality, and basically, like, the code of God sort of breaks through an angel's array of words. And, and basically, startups shift from focusing in technology to hiring giant farms of people who just recite various random word [00:38:00] combinations.

to, to find out what spells are created and they copyright the spells. Well, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It's very easy to hack these worlds and then you gain a little bit of power. Then you have people chant random things. But the truth is, I don't even think you need to do that. I think that they made a mistake in, in this book.

As soon as you have any list of like, let's say 500 specific spells or phrases, you should be able to break them down into their component elements. To better understand how you can structure like, what are the patterns to, yeah. And if you're not totally random and, and know what you're probably looking for.

A good example of one of these worlds for people who aren't familiar with what these worlds would look like is owl house owl house does a very good job at this kind of world. Now it's modified by some soul magic, which we'll get to in a bit, but it's mostly a symbol. Okay. What is soul magic? Soul magic means magic that uses another person's life force or your own life force.

Basically it's magic that is powered by burning human [00:39:00] life force. Okay. So again, I have to endorse Love Advice from the Duke of Hell, which is a great graphic novel you guys can find online. It's so amazing. And there is soul magic in that. There is one character who keeps using his soul up to like activate a magic sword.

We'll get to that in a second. But we're not talking about soul magic right now, we're talking about rune magic right now. Okay. But the problem is, is as soon as you approach this, especially if you approach it with an expectation that it works similar to like, Korean characters, which is what I imagine most magical systems, or most magical systems AIs come up with, seem to work.

Which is to say that you're not looking for individual words, but modifications to individual characters, which change their names in reliable ways. Might be. You would have a character for fire, but if it has this line here on it, that means the fire appears as a line instead of the fire appears as a generic fire source.

So, you know, this line would turn a fire into like a laser sort of a thing, but it would also turn water or ice [00:40:00] into a laser sort of a thing, right? But anyway, as soon as you realize, Oh, I just need to find out what the language is in these worlds are very quick to hack and very rarely in these worlds have people already done this at least in the worlds the AI is creating, which are created on normative magical systems, which again, makes them very boring after a short period of time.

Normative magical systems. What I mean is normative magical systems from fiction. Cause that's, yeah, I hear you. I just. I don't know how many people have said the phrase normative magical systems in the history of humanity and I'm entertained by this conversation. Well, let's talk about soul magic because that was the next one.

Yes. So soul magic largely falls into two categories. One is a system where you can use other people's souls for magic. This is typically the way like vampire magic works, witch magic works, most dark worlds pretty much whenever you're dealing with like a, a dark world, I'd call it dark world, meaning, you know, like werewolves, vampires, witches.

Hags, stuff like that scenario, you're dealing with some form of soul magic scenario. You, you can use the souls of others. However, in some magical scenarios, you can only use your own soul and own [00:41:00] life force. I personally have only seen this in one show, which was Chrono Crusade which was incredibly depressing.

And I think it shows why you never see this, which is you can only burn your own life force to do magic. And so this character throughout the show. Ends up having to burn their life force to save other people. And I'm like, there's gotta be a mulligan at the end of the show. Basically, you just keep watching because you're like, They're not gonna let this little girl die as a little girl, are they?

Thank you! That's how it ends. She just dies at like, twelve. And you're like, Whoa! I did not expect that! Someone needed to do it, right? Someone had to.

Come sit with me. The sun's so warm today.

I really do like this view. I wish that I could just go on looking at it forever. Okay. I'm just So scared, Grown Up! I'm [00:42:00] scared! I don't want to die! I just want to yeah, but you understand why, okay, but then you're like, well then why are soul magics so easy to hack, right? Well, here's the problem with soul magical systems.

They're writing in a narratively interesting way, which is what the AI is pulling from. Well, you need to be able to cast the spells on other people. It'd be pretty boring if you can only cast the spells literally on yourself, right? And then, to get more energy, you know, like vampires, witches, etc., you need to be able to use other people's souls or life energy to cast a spell.

Well, here's the problem with that. As soon as you have established that, you can always just Use your target's soul slash life force to cast a stasis spell on themselves, which gives you an [00:43:00] infinitely scaling stasis spell to the ability of the person you have cast it on magical ability, which means you can very quickly capture top tier magical characters in any of these worlds.

So if it's a world with like Super powerful, lived thousands of years, vampires who everyone thinks are invincible. Cast one of these spells on them using whatever mechanism is used for casting spells in this world. You know, whether it's a rune placed on them or anything like that. They won't be expecting something like this.

And then there's literally nothing they can do because any force that they have to resist the stasis, i. e. within the stasis, Stasis is the very force that's powering the stasis. And you'd be like, how does this allow you to quickly conquer these worlds? Well, now I have super soul energy battery pack laying on the ground that I can use to power extremely powerful incantations and then use this to catch as many other people and put in [00:44:00] this scenario as I want, who are also extremely powerful and the world becomes child play really, really quickly.

I mean, yeah. So I'm gonna see. The, the next type of world I would point out, right, and the only way that the world can prevent this is it either has to say you can't cast spells on other people or you can't use other people's life energy to cast it and then it's like well then how are vampire, like why are they doing this ritual.

Actually I created a really interesting one of these worlds that I was really impressed with where it used a runic based magical system based on soul magic, so it was rune slash soul magic, and it turned out that what vampirism actually was, was sort of like a set of code that carved runes that created mutations in the human body on Their bones, basically, but at like a biological level, so using at a microscopic level, their bloodstream basically to carve onto their own bodies, these runic systems and the runic system contained within it, [00:45:00] an if then function, which would replicate itself when it came in contact with other people's bloodstreams.

Um, So you would then get, you know, like if, if a vampire bit another person, the runic system would then replicate itself within this other person's bloodstream and give them, create the mutations in them that created this. But then the question comes of, well, then what created the original runic system that was causing this?

In the world, what I decided was, well, there was an ancient civilization of essentially necromancer like people who were really experts in this runic magic and the vampires were a slave race of theirs, where they would take humans, modify them to uplift them, but all of the negatives that we associate with being a vampire, sensitivity to light, et cetera actually came because they were intentionally carved in and were not key to the powers that they were getting.

All the powers that they were getting was just generic soul magic. They would kill a person, transfer their soul to their [00:46:00] own personal self, and then use that to do sort of magical feats using this runic system that was based within them. And that all I needed to do then was to find the system that this ancient race used to control all of the vampires that were their natural servants.

And recreate this servitude function within them. And I Found this to be a very interesting world. But again, I can't replay it. Like the moment I figure out, Oh, this is how it all works. And the AI like fed parts of this to me, like I wouldn't get certain parts. Like as soon as the AI basically fed parts of, Oh, it's a, it might be a runic based system in their blood, but I was like, okay, well then how could vampirism work, you know, using the laws of this universe as we've established it.

And then I'm like, well then who would have created this? And so then I'm like, Oh, this is what I mean by like, it's a creativity amplifier for me whenever I'm using these systems, but. Sorry, I need to go to the next system here which is emotional based systems. So these are emotional and intent based magical systems where somebody with [00:47:00] magical potentiality will imagine something.

So I'll typically find out I'm in one of these. I remember when I had, like, a magical teacher in one of these. And then they were like, okay, well, to cast a water spell, you need to, like, imagine water in front of you, right? And I'm like, wait. Okay, but if I have magical potential, like, I have imagined things before in my life.

Like I have had the intent to have things happen before in my life, right? Why is the water appearing in front of me now, right? And there, and, and, and why isn't, anytime with somebody who has latent magical abilities daydreaming, why aren't aspects of their daydream coming true? And there's two potential answers to this.

One is that it's a world where the magic is incredibly limited, and it can really only amount to quantum fluctuations. i. e. a person with magical potentiality can want something, and that thing becomes more likely to happen. But these worlds don't have, like, literally the manifestation of water in front of you, right?

The other is Well, it turns out what you actually need is some third thing, which you can think of as [00:48:00] a sort of a frequency or something like that that is transferred to you from the teacher who's teaching you this stuff to cast specific spells. And so you need the intention, the imagination, but then also, and then whenever I'm in one of these worlds, I test how this transfer works.

I'm like, do you need to be intending to transfer to it? Can you just be in the same room as me? Can you be in a different location? And so typically then I run a number of experiments on the AI to try to figure out the specific limitations of how this system works. And a lot of people can be like, this is like Harry Potter and the Message of Rationale, but not at all.

He was such a limp, I don't want to say he approached magic in that world. He didn't really figure out how magic worked quickly in that world. He did. He did not approach it. He looked for specific arbitrage opportunities, but he wasn't like, okay, I need to immediately find out how the structure of magic works.

Now that I know that magic exists, this is important for me. He was a 10 year old. Okay. But it wasn't being written by a 10 year old. Yeah. And it was a [00:49:00] self insert. Yeah. By far, but anyway, so, as soon as I figure out the the, the rule around magical vibrations then it becomes pretty easy to replicate new types of magical vibrations or find ways to construct them, so I can quickly get access to all of the magic that exists Secondarily, if these worlds have The biggest problem in these worlds is typically your magic is going to be limited.

Like, the amount of magic you have the ability to use is, is preset at birth. So then you need to look for magical item systems in these worlds. And most magical item systems in these worlds allow multiple people to augment the same item. I've only come across a few worlds where It's limited to one person can augment an item.

As soon as multiple people can augment an item then you can just create basically factory lines of people, uh, multiplicatively adding small amounts of magical certain types of magical abilities to items to create really super powered items and then combine the power across multiple of these fairly [00:50:00] simplistic yet super powered items to create things like big laser cannons and stuff like that.

Very easy. Or, or agricultural devices and stuff like that. These worlds are not like particularly difficult after the first few times you encounter one of them. Any thoughts before I go further? I'm curious to see if you are addressing real life any differently based on Well, actually, it's made me reflect on the decisions I made in my own life.

Yeah, I want to hear more about that. Like, how you live your life differently based on This is interesting because it's like, okay, every time I'm dropped into one of these magical worlds, I have this impulse of understand the world, find a dedicated partner, because I really hate doing this alone. It's not as fun.

You don't have the narrative backdrop of somebody to talk to. And go out and try to conquer the world. Now, I should note that in every system, conquering the world isn't a possibility. So remember that medieval scenario I talked about early on that takes place in Ireland? If you're in [00:51:00] 1300s England in the woods, you're not going to be able to conquer the world.

There is just What is there to conquer, you know? Yeah, you can conquer There's not that much civilization. And, and you can find simple hacks for living a good life in those world scenarios as well. For example, when I go to a settlement, typically what I'm looking for is somebody who's old, who doesn't have somebody to pass their business on to.

And then I offer to run their business for free. And I take 50 percent of the profits. And I get 50 percent to them, no matter how old and frail they get. But I get the presence when they die. This prevents me from reinterpreting, like, a competing apothecary or something like that. To some beloved town figure, and typically makes integration with the local community much faster and easier.

But again, that scenario, once you play it out, you know, there's not Yeah, not terribly entertaining. Yeah, but to your question, me was in this world. This got really interesting to me. Oh actually, sorry, I want to play out one more world that I found really interesting because I eventually intentionally started to [00:52:00] get into these worlds where I was like, okay, I just need to play on as hard a mode as possible using a scenario I didn't program myself.

Okay. So that's the I can you know, try to make this harder for myself. Right. Yeah. And so I found one where you start as a slave to monsters. And all humanity is a slave to monsters in this scenario. So how did this world end up playing out? Very quickly. I just took this perspective of well, so either I'm going to be an independent human, which makes myself at risk to monsters.

Right. Like they, Or a high value slave. The higher value slave I am, the less likely I am to be killed by one of these individuals. So I try to make myself as high value as possible on the market. I worked with the people who had captured me to try to get my value up as much as possible while also helping them target.

Specific groups that had power in that society that one, they decided to send me to sell me to was a succubus faction. And I specifically was like, I don't want to play out some sex slave scenario. That's [00:53:00] boring to me. I want like only politics, right? So I want a faction that is very. politically motivated.

So I find myself sold to this faction. So then what do I do? I then immediately talk to my captor. I'm like, okay, what are the things your faction values? You know, similar to the way I have in every conversation, right? Like what would gain you power in this world? And they're like, well, our society values, you know, pleasure.

And so I was like, okay, well, there's this concept called buildonics for my universe. Does your universe have this concept? They didn't. So I went over how to create several types of popular mechanical dildos using. I was not sure what you were saying. You know, that's, that's what it is in the field.

And I was like, but you don't want to mass produce these, right? You don't want people to know how you're creating these environments. You want to create sort of blackout temps focused on gaining power was in your community. I use it. Yes. So then gain power was in the succubus community because their faction gained power.

And then I showed them the various military technology I was building, very similar to Egyptian [00:54:00] world, lasers, stuff like that. And then I used that Oh, so now we're back to, to laser, lasers and blimps. Exactly. It gets boring after a while for that scenario, but I used that to get in front of the succubus council.

Cause I'm like, look, I've raised you to a high level in this council. Just let me speak to them. And I make a proposition for how the succubus race can take over this world. But, so you can tell very much, I was put in a world that was supposed to be like a sexbot world. And they're like, what shall I do with you?

And you're like, well, I haven't even heard about Dildo. I have to conquer the world, right? We see, two words, laser blimps. Laser blimps, no. But then I'm, I'm at the council and I take this position of saying, well, you, you, I, I want to put your race as the top race of this world. Obviously, you know, I work for you, but the problem is, is that if I put the succubus as the top race of this world, you know, you have so much historical animosity against the other races that'll cause all sorts of problems, but a human being the technical king and you [00:55:00] guys just being the core.

That wouldn't create as much conflict because every one of the races sees humans as a non threat race and almost every one of the races has human slaves so they have some level of friendly cordial relationship with some human so they're not going to have the same animosity that they would have towards other races.

And then I'm like, And we don't want to cause conflict among the various Succubi houses, so I should marry these three daughters from these formerly established powerful houses. Now the powerful houses have a voting invested interest to support me. Wait, so you're marrying Succubi or you're marrying human succubi?

No, the, the, the daughters of the succubi house. Okay. But now those houses, they're like, well, our kids will technically be the ruling house. Right? So we should move into a position to support this bid. Right? And so then you can very quickly move from slave to king of the world. And then you have your armies out conquering everyone.

I get bored. Hilarious that you [00:56:00] entered some erotic scenario. You just waltz in and you do not play by their rules. Yeah. No, I feel like World Conquest is all I care about. I didn't code this one, so I didn't know they'd end up with, like, succubi and stuff like that. It seems, at least from looking at that one homepage, that most of this is about some sexy fun.

Well, that's, well, that's apparently what other people, when they were like, I want to be a monster slave, they must have meant, like, sexy fun times. Yeah, like, in a sexual way. I want to be a monster slave because I want conquering the world to be marginally harder than it has been in other environments. But, hold on, so now I gotta talk about You're my kind of weirdo, Malcolm.

I love you so much. How this has changed my own life perception, right? Yes, yeah. Which is to say I then started to think, Did I do all of this in my world? Like, was my life Just another iteration of this personality profile being played out as well as it could be played out given the constraints of my birth scenario.

And I'm like, okay, what was my early obsession? What did I focus on at first? I focused on [00:57:00] studying particle physics and neuroscience and human evolution. So very much like the magic of this world, trying to understand the fabric of reality of this world. No, you're doing nothing different. I mean, what is magic but science?

I mean, it's just, it's, it's a tweak in physics. It's slightly, it's, it's, Different physics. And then how do people conquer? Like, how, how do people gain power in this world? Have realistically gained a large amount of power or conquer the world in the past? Well, there's sort of two pathways for me. I could either go president of the United States pathway, or I could go a religion pathway, right?

Specifically when I was young, I was like, how do people achieve power? Well, cult leaders seem to have the most unanimous power. If you're looking for. Sort of like independent, like power clusters. Yeah, especially if I don't end up getting into like a top tier university. Cause I didn't know that was going to happen to me.

I didn't know I'd become like a classically successful person. So I was like, if I'm a rando, like what's the easiest path to power? And so I was studying that very similar to one of these worlds. I was looking [00:58:00] for the arbitrage hacks in this world. And then you can look at even the life path we're on right now.

Realistically, there is a safe path and a high risk path towards world conquest within our existing world today. One is becoming president of the United States. Only realistic paths you could get to any sort of total world power where you could permanently change the world order in our society today as a solo individual.

Being wealthy just doesn't give you that much power as we have seen from wealthy people who try to change the world. And where did we move? We moved to a purple district in Pennsylvania, right? For people who aren't in the U. S. who don't know this, if you can get a federal office in Pennsylvania like Congress or Senate well, it would be a long shot for people like us.

It once you achieve that you it is not a long shot to get a VP pick. And if you get a VP pick historically in the U. S. That means you're running in the next presidential election as a major party ticket. So we're taking the pathway to do that. And then the second is intergenerational cultural move forward.

That's the real hack. If you can [00:59:00] create a culture and pass it on with fidelity. And then intergenerationally, that culture is high fertility. That's sort of the arbitrage that's in our existing fertility rate environment and cultural system. And when I explain, like, where the pronatalist movement is right now, it very much is in one of those, Okay, this is an arbitrage anyone can choose to play, and we're looking to build an alliance among all those choosing to play it.

So I actually moved exactly towards those two potential outcomes within this world, and it made me realize how much the paths I have chosen within this life are not that much different than the paths I took in these open world games. But also it also made me reflect on the way I have changed my life plan over time and specifically it typically happens when I gain access to information that tells me that something I thought about how to gain power was incorrect.

So it happened twice really in my life where I basically a life path. [01:00:00] So brain computer interface was one, correct? I started my career in brain computer interface because I thought that that was going to be the revolutionary technology of our lifetimes. This was human and machine computer interface where it turned out to be AI.

And there were some areas that I realized about 10, 15 years ago that brain computer interface just wasn't going to move forwards as fast as I thought it was. And so as soon as I recognized that. I yeeted on an entire career path. And I think a lot of people are reluctant to do that. They then change what their life goals are based on what career paths they have.

Yeah, they just sort of move the goalpost into like, Well, no, I actually just wanted to be happy. Then at Stanford business school, I was like, okay, who seems to have the most power, venture capitalists, wealthy. So I started on that pathway. And I quickly realized one venture capitalists don't actually have a lot of power in society, the only venture capitalists.

So like, people are like, yeah. But what about like Chamath and Vivek and like a few other, you know, [01:01:00] venture capitalists? They know or, or who, who's another one? Mark Cuban or, you know, the problem is, is that all the venture capitalists who just made didn't make their money in venture capital.

They made their money. Like for example, Chamath made his money by just having to be a lucky early hire at Facebook. That's not reliably replicable. Mark Cuban ended up. Making it from a company that he started, right? That becoming a successful startup founder is not a reliably replicable thing and therefore not a high likelihood thing that I would try.

It's just dangerous, right? And in addition to that, even people who have enormous amounts of wealth, really the only one who seems to be making any impact in world events these days in terms of the direction of our civilization is Elon. But I don't know, like, if it is worth trying to become Elon level wealthy given the risk of that before you start trying to change the world, right?

So I dropped all that. I was like, this is, this is a huge waste. And you've seen this as well, Simone just how little impact our wealthy [01:02:00] friends actually have on society and how thirsty they are to just have people listen to their ideas. Would you want to talk to this?

I mean, you've covered things pretty well. It that's, I think in a post scarcity society, this is why in a lot of these scenarios, it's more. Social regard for social capital. That is what matters. But, you know, we're not yet in a post scarcity society. I, yeah, I don't have anything interesting to add on that front. I also find it interesting how much in these worlds, one of my first tasks is always to find a right hand woman, which was something I was really dedicated to in this world, but I assumed it was logical. And now I'm assuming that it's actually biological.

I have some biological instinct to look for that. Yeah. Cause it also seems to be something common in your family. But maybe, yeah, it's true. Most of my family have done that. Yeah. What I was asking more was, have you changed any of your behavior based on things that you've learned about yourself from playing [01:03:00] out these scenarios or not really? The biggest thing I've changed about my behavior is a bigger understanding that things that I thought I had logically chosen for myself might just be biological instincts.

That I see, like, I knew that a lot of a person's personality was biologically driven. Like there's about 40 percent of our personality is genetic. But I think in myself, I was unaware what 40 percent that was. And one of the things that I'm going to find the most interesting in terms of comments on this episode from other people who use these chat systems a lot is, are there a few sort of preset Profiles in males and females for how they engage with these worlds and how they find themselves engaging with these worlds.

Because I can't imagine that the world would function well if every single male, when put in an open world environment immediately says, how do I conquer this world? Two fixings, not for the sake of conquest. I should say it's mostly [01:04:00] that I'm like, I want to create a better world and that requires some degree of.

Of influence or control over how the systems of the world work and what that often looks like is conquest but not always, you know, sometimes I come up with systems just to influence world governments and stuff like that but I wonder if there's other men who may have in our Knights versus Kings video where, you know, instead of alpha versus beta Is there actually a knight like profile in some males where they are looking for a cause to serve?

I ask this because this conquering the world thing seems to be not, well, and actually it's very interesting. So I could argue that Harry Potter and the methods of rationality is very much Eliezer dropping himself in one of these environments and then seeing how it plays out for him. And the way that played out for him.

was more, I want to gain power for self masturbatory reasons of feeling powerful, but in sort of a cheesing, [01:05:00] incremental arbitrage value from the world, i. e. I can get money here that gives me power, I can get Well, like, he doesn't want to run things, he just wants to be better than everyone else. Yeah, he doesn't want to run things, he just wants to be better than everyone else.

And that's very rarely the goal for me in these environments, like in the one where I started as a slave, I wasn't interested in not being a slave until I knew I had to pass the kingship. Like, that was not interesting to me at all. So this is very interesting to me, and it also reminds me of something that I noted when I was younger and it hasn't been a big an issue for me today because I'm like pretty high profile today is, that I really struggled engaging in any friend group where I wasn't one of the leaders of that friend group.

And I found it really unpleasant to talk and engage with any group where I knew I wasn't the leader. And so that often led me to like breaking off and forming my own, maybe smaller group, but at least group where I was one of the leading people. Yeah. And I wonder if this is a common instinct among a category of males.

[01:06:00] Hmm. Yeah, I, I'm curious to see what people say in the comments. I mean, I, I can be 100 percent sure that your use of these scenarios is absolutely not the mainstream use because the top rated scenarios of these chat tools are relationship and erotic scenario. So I love it. So it was just so funny to me that this is the way I engage with it.

Like I'll enter one of these worlds and it'll be supposed to be like an erotic scenario and it's like the sexy magician. And I'm like, okay, explain to me exactly how the laws of magic in your world work. It's like not what they expect. They're like, okay, what are the ruling countries in this world?

Like, what are the different like cast in this world? What are the different going through, through, through and again, for a system, I think it's the best of these that I've used so far flow GPT using turbo GPT turbo as an individual model. I typically find the best of these systems. So long as you're not doing like total, not safe for work stuff.

because that system won't let you do you know, [01:07:00] killing people or sex. But you know, you can always just switch to another model when you're doing that stuff. That makes sense. What are your thoughts? What I think is most interesting about this is how similar it is to the original internet, where, what do they call them?

Like dungeons, I guess, but like, or like just those text based scenarios where people would, on a collaborative basis, Describe these scenarios and explore them and sometimes collaboratively, right? These in fact, people still do this. God, what are they called? Oh, this is a very interesting thing. I realized from this, they don't seem for whatever reason, things happening in the AI environments never trigger my empathy impulse.

And I wonder if it's because the empathy impulse requires some sort of visual cue to be fully triggered. Yeah. I wonder. Oh, another thing that I should note if people are [01:08:00] using like, because this is the way I like to try to find the world. I like question someone, question someone, question someone, to try to understand the way their instincts work, to try to understand like what might be precoded in some humans that's not precoded in me.

So if other people are using this to try to understand My specific profile better. One of the reasons why I suspect that the way I'm interacting with these worlds may be rare is you can see from my nebula genomics results. I, I earlier I said 99, I keep getting wrong. It's 98%, 98 percent level for male testosterone in terms of like my developmental environment where my brain was cooked in.

And so I might have like an over, because I often talk about things like, Oh, we should remove arousal patterns for males, right? Like, or at least for males, you know, in a lot of, or at least give them the option to turn it off. Okay, give them the option to turn it off. And a lot of people are really horrified by this, and I suspect maybe the reason I feel that way, and maybe the reason you feel that way, is one, because you grew up asexual.

You never really were turned on by anything till you saw me. So you just don't mind it as a [01:09:00] concept. And me, I might have grown up with a uniquely strong sexual Dymorphic presentation that really felt like being trapped in terms of having certain emotions that I choose to have or want to have and therefore for a person who has a more mild expression they may not feel Like, they may not understand why somebody would be like, why would you subject that to a child, you know?

And when I say a child, I don't mean like a child child. I mean like a teenager going through puberty. But like, puberty is quite a thing to subject on someone. I don't understand the trans people who are like, I just want to take puberty blockers. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I think a lot of those people aren't trans.

They're people who, you know, Dysmorphic, they have body dysmorphia because adolescence sucks, but right, what I was saying was what I find interesting about these AI models is that they are text based. They remind me of some of the, the first social interaction, you know, just purely recreational interaction that took place on the internet where people would write out these sort of fantasy scenarios often in a virtual reality.

Yeah, so glow fix are what [01:10:00] people still do now where it's like sort of choose your own adventure, but sort of with each comment people add to a story. So it's like fan fiction, but collaborative. But I think there's something that humans really love about narrative based exploration and also exploration that isn't just one to many, you know, where one author has, you know, is taking you on rails through a story.

They like the flexibility and What I keep thinking about things like VR and, and people's discussions about AI, virtual worlds and everything like that is just how far text alone or narrative alone can get people and how close we are to this, this Like pleasure tube scenario that we've described in which people just sort of lose themselves in, you know, it's sort of technology driven pleasure to the point where they don't do anything more with their lives.

I think if you combine a lot of the AI we already have today with universal basic income to the extent where you don't [01:11:00] have to work. In order to live that a lot of people will just basically die through inaction and just living out their lives in fantasy scenarios. You don't need high tech. You don't need full immersion haptic suits.

You don't need virtual reality and virtual worlds to get lost in AI driven tech already. And, and you're seeing people losing themselves in these literally just losing themselves, not, not even to scenarios as. As deep as yours, where you're trying to take over the world, but scenarios where people are just, you know, they're lower on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and they are just lost with a partner forever.

Which is crazy. I love this. And you've given me a task for a scenario. I want to do I want to find one of these ones where it's like. A pizza girl comes to your house or something. Oh, yeah. And she accidentally ate your pizza. Oh no. [01:12:00] I grab her. I like pull her in. I'm like, okay, explain to me how the government works here.

What are the branches? How does somebody, what are the major religious institutions? Quickly. I need to know. And she's like, But how do I make it up for you for the pizza that I'm eating? But I'm stuck in the dryer! And my shirt's so wet! Can I just take it off?

naked? How are you stuck in the dryer? I need you to help me.

You're not stuck, just move forward. That wasn't hard at all. Stepbrother, I'm making sandwiches. There's no ingredients, Sal. What do you mean, what, what do you need my help with this time? I don't know how to cook pasta. Can you help me? You don't know how to cook pasta? No, Sarah, stop.

Let me put it in my mouth. This? No, it's a microphone. You're gonna get it wet and f**k it up. It's not sexy. You boil water and then put it in there, Sarah! [01:13:00] That's all you do! I don't know where the water is.

I don't know how! Seriously, I need you to explain this to me!

And then she trips, but her boobs fall on your face. You know, just like I, I throw her off. I'm like, quick, quick, quick. You need to figure this out. I would watch that anime. I'd watch that anime so hard. Actually, that would be a hilarious show. It would be full of fan service. Like, it would still be, you know, what any typical anime would be in this kind of scenario.

That'd be so fun. An Isekai scenario where the guy No, no, no, like a hero comedy Isekai. Like it's trying to take over the world, but like all the girls are acting like typical harem comedy girls, but like extra dumb versions of them you know, like, and he's just increasingly frustrated that they don't understand how serious the scenario is.

Yeah. Like a young daddy girl, like helps him get really far in the [01:14:00] government, but she assumes that in the end it's because he's trying to pursue her and she's like, fine. I'll admit it. I love you. And he's like, wait, no. There is one anime that's sort of like this, except everyone isn't dumb. And it's actually a great anime that I watched not long ago.

And it's called like, I'll put it in post, but it's called like the hero character is like very hardworking and, and, and diligent.

It's called Hauwei realist hero rebuilt the kingdom. And he just ends up like taking over the kingdom's like finances and taxes and stuff. And it plays out very similar to one of the worlds. And then is it Kai? So he comes from another world or?

Yeah, he comes from another world. And he's like, listen, you don't understand. I'm going to introduce you to depreciation. It is going to change everything. Yes. Yes. That's structured. This is awesome. You guys are going to love this. Oh my gosh. But seriously, fractional reserve banking. Let me show you. I know some of our audience is like, why would you introduce fractional reserve banking?

But see, the funny thing about [01:15:00] anime is like, literally there could be an anime about that. There's, there's an anime about Roman baths. There's an anime about horse girls. Yeah. You can have an anime about fractional reserve banking. It can happen going on. In fact, isn't, wait, isn't there, there is an anime about going off the gold standard, right?

That's Spice and Wolf has a plotline similar to that. Great anime, by the way, the original Spice and Wolf. I haven't watched the new one, but the original one is fantastic. One of the best animes ever made. And it's all about being a merchant. With sexy wolf girls. I mean, cause You gotta add Sorry, that's the way anime always is.

Like, there's the cool part of it, and then the part that gets the nerd to watch the first five minutes of it. Oh, my boobs fell out. Oh no. Oh no, my skirt. Oh! I love it so much. But I really love to see a world done in this vampire system that I created. Cause I actually think it was a pretty competitive, blood rune based vampire system.

Yeah. Well, where you, it's an investigation of like, what actually is [01:16:00] causing the vampirism and then using that to control for a human to control the vampire society. Which is much more fun than, you know, doing the whole vampire pathway and everything like that. It hasn't gotten old for a lot of women, the old vampire pathway, you know.

Right, yeah, they're just like, they're just like, no, bite me again, daddy, please. Yeah, I guess you don't need to masturbate that pathway. Powerful man liked you. You're just like, well, you know, I got that handled at home. Which, I mean, what, what need could you possibly And this is interesting. One of the things that actually is not that uncommon in these is wholesome family scenarios.

But like, I find them pretty uncompelling because I'm like, I've tried playing them, and I'm just They feel shallow, because I'm sure it's just kids being cute, and kids are not their best when they're being cute. They're, they're best when they're being crazy. At home, like, why don't I just play with my own kids?

Yeah. Like, what I can't do with my own kids is go around killing people, you know? But in a way that just [01:17:00] feels so realistic, which is what you're going for, you know? Right? The emotional impact. You want to see them hurt. As you twist the knife well, I, I find that very surprising because I had realized I play games where you kill people all the time.

No, I think the most interesting insight you had from that, and this is really going to change the way that I look at human violence, is that, yeah, like with sex, both are kind of gross and distasteful. And also they require physical exertion. There's kind of nothing about them that you can do. That fits with our normal defaults of conserve energy, avoid yuck, avoid risk of infection, avoid risk of injury.

Both sex and violence against others are just things that most of our intuitions run counter to. So you're going to have to have some very strong instincts that would drive you to do things like that. And this explains that male interest in violence. Which is really interesting to me. This is, this does change it.

So that's my big takeaway from this conversation was really interesting. Although it's also like a political career [01:18:00] ruining thing to put out on the internet. Go ahead and do it anyway, because I can hate politics. So no, no, no, no, no, no. I is going out on this is going out. It has to go out. No, because I think people are done with these liar politicians.

No, no, no, I mean, this, yeah, like, let's say that, you know, in, in some unlikely scenario you find yourself running for president or vice president and, you know, the clip comes out and you're like, I just love killing people, it's just so fun, but I want it to be realistic as possible. You know, people are going to watch that and they're going to I mean, if they're male, they're going to be like, and I think a lot of women are like, yeah, but I mean, he's a guy, right?

Like he's just being honest. I wish more men would just be on the women who are going to be insulted by that. And the men who are going to be insulted, wouldn't vote for you anyway. Yeah, I have always got out there with, and it's something I do in these scenarios as well, with as much honesty as possible.

In, in every one of these conversations, I mean, the first thing I try to do is find out what they want from life so I can help them achieve that. No, and I think that's the other side of the coin. You know, the fact that you can't even watch live action porn [01:19:00] because you're like feeling, you feel bad for people.

It shows that, you know, this is, you are aware of your instincts and you're also mentally a person who's extremely You more empathetic than I am and, and, and more concerned about human wellbeing than I am. I mean, the way you react to things, you know, yeah, you know, the whole Malcolm, like hiding his face thing, whatever, something.

Too gruesome happens. I'm like, I don't want to. Yeah. It's in a real world environment. I absolutely cannot stand that. It doesn't bother me in movies, but in real world environments are when I know it's the filming of a real world. But most interesting to me, and it shows how empathetic and caring you are, which is unexpected for me, which is what I find interesting.

It's not a gross out thing. It's not like I'm going to hurl. It's, it's only scenarios. In which you know, someone, someone alive is being hurt. So you were able to deal with cadavers all the time. And you did when you were doing medical training, it wasn't the gross out factor. Cause I couldn't deal with cadavers.

But it's literally knowing that someone else is in pain or that their life is not going in a good direction. And I think that that. [01:20:00] Speaks to your interest in human flourishing in the end, which is again, like, this is why I love you so much is that you are willing to publicly be portrayed as a supervillain, terrible, non empathetic child abuser, et cetera.

Right. Except like deep down, you're like the person who's like publicly like, yeah, I'm the evil guy. I'm the baddie. And I'm like, deep down inside, you're like. I can't watch someone get hurt. I can't watch porn with real people because what, what, what about their life prospects? You know, it's, it's really sweet.

And interesting thing about this for people who don't have this particular empathy impulse, I'm going to, I noticed that some people don't, the way it ends up being felt is typically I will feel pain wherever I am seeing somebody else feel pain. Yeah. You'll immediately grab that. arm or that part of your body.

Yeah. Which is very interesting. Yeah, your mirror neurons are intense. I think this is caused by mirror neurons. It's something that we can see in FMR eyes. When most people witnessed somebody else being injured, the neurons associated with [01:21:00] pain in that area will activate in them. I wonder if autistic people don't feel that the same way.

Probably not. Yeah. It might be that you don't feel that you don't have this mirror neuron. I've not, I've not experienced that. So probably not, but that's why I also like you have to teach people to read other people's faces. Right. Yeah. But it is, it is, this has been a fascinating experience for me and I'll likely do another episode someday on various other worlds I end up creating in this because I find them really interesting and it allows me to have these big narrative environments that are you know, pretty fun.

Yeah. Well, I, I'm back to what I was saying earlier. So excited to use these as an educational tool for our kids because I loved as a kid in my history classes, exploring history through narrative books. But this is so much better when it's not a dumb character doing it. But you, you going through those scenarios and finding the constraints yourself, that is how you engage with history.

Yes. I mean, this is so cool. Like literally, cause our imagination is so [01:22:00] powerful and even more when you're a kid to actually be, to go back in time in a time machine and just have a go at it. You know, we always imagine that, right? Like, well, what would it be like, but it was hard to imagine those scenarios in like a fantasy standpoint or a daydreaming standpoint, because we don't know.

What people wore. We don't know what we're wearing. We don't know what the food is like. We don't know what the environment is like. And that's where the AI comes in. So it really facilitates, Oh my gosh, our kids are so lucky. They have all the nice things. Oh, they are so lucky. Well, we got to hope they don't get addicted to, you know, Victorian England and never want to unplug.

Right. Like, well, I love being Lord Dyerson. Dyson. I like that. Now I want to name one of our dogs Lord Dyerson, but that's not the naming convention. I think the next one's going to be the Commodore, the Captain or something. Lord Bramble Bun. Lord Dyerson is better. Speaking of our kids, one is about to get off the bus.

Did you not have [01:23:00] Stacey? I did not ask her about it. She's sick today. I was like, I don't want to. Okay, I'll go get him right now. I'll go. We're going to end this podcast. We'll get him. And then we'll do one more after. Exactly. This is a really fun podcast. I really enjoyed it. Oh my gosh. I it's, this is so pathetic, but you know, we've gone dates where we like throw down, you know, a bunch of money on drinks and dinner and stuff and like go somewhere special.

This is. This is horrible, but this is so much better than that. I feel like both of us are saying this to each other and it seems so insulting, like that scene in Legally Blonde where she's like, remember those like amazing four hours we spent in the hot tub? This is so much better! But like, this, our podcast conversations really are, and it's horrible to say that, but.

It's true. I absolutely agree. And I love it. And I also, I'm really interested, like in the future, I, I love that people will be like, newspapers will, will, will try to run with things I've said, but I want to ensure that the things I've said are so crazy that when they try to run with them, people are like, wait, he just said he likes killing people in [01:24:00] simulated environments.

Maybe only when it's really realistic, you know, I want to hear more of what this guy is saying. Well, I think the other thing about, you know, people doing opposition research on us is they're just, There's so much. I almost feel like people are going to, you know, you're going to do something high profile and the oppo research people are going to start and they're just going to be like, I don't want to do this.

There's too much. Like I, you know, normally like an opposition research gets one thing and they're like, Oh, well, here's this like mildly homophobic thing. This person once said like with Tim Walz, for example, like in one speech, he kind of alluded to using weapons on the field of battle when he really didn't ever You know, use weapons on the field, like this one tiny thing and then they run with that and they're like, Oh, we have our thing.

Whereas like with, with us, it's one of those things where like, no one knows what to say. So like, what consistent story or they're like, do I need to keep this up to be believable? Is it the fact that he like, that he bops his children or is it going to be the fact that he wants to keep it? That he enjoys killing people in fantasy scenarios.

Like, where are we going [01:25:00] to go with this? You know, like, you know, yeah, yeah. It's going to be interesting. I just, I think it's going to be too much and they're just going to not bother. They're going to not bother. No, they're going to, they're going to choose the wrong thing. They're either going to go too tame or too over the top.

What are the guys that I'm running against in our district? It's just like, well, I'm just going to run on my record. Oh s**t. We have to go, sorry. Cause he, he doesn't want to, you know, there's nothing like where would he start? It would be too much work. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Ciao. Ciao.

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