In this passionate and eye-opening episode, Malcolm and Simone delve into the tragic history of how the progressive left has systematically co-opted and erased the identity of gay men within the LGBT movement. Drawing from their personal experiences and deep ties to the early gay community, they expose the hypocrisy and cultural imperialism that has led to the marginalization of the very group that fought hardest for acceptance and equality.

Malcolm begins by recounting his formative years, during which his closest friends and mentors were predominantly gay men. He explains how the early LGBT community was primarily driven by gay men who were fighting against discrimination and societal rejection, with other groups like lesbians and transgender individuals being a much smaller part of the movement.

The couple then discusses the original meaning behind the rainbow flag, which was designed to represent inclusivity and acceptance for all, rather than specific identities. They argue that the progressive left has since perverted this message by adding stripes and sections to elevate certain groups above others, thereby erasing the flag's original intent.

Malcolm draws parallels between the betrayal of gay men and the co-opting of the black community's identity by the Democratic Party. He cites the shocking statistic that 52% of black men voted for Trump in the 2020 election, demonstrating the growing disillusionment with a party that claims to champion their interests while simultaneously policing their identity.

Simone reflects on the resilience and resourcefulness of the gay community, expressing her confidence that they will continue to thrive and generate new cultural ideas despite the challenges they face. The couple concludes by noting the irony that flying the original rainbow flag now serves as a symbol of conservatism and dissent against the progressive establishment.

Throughout the episode, Malcolm and Simone's passion and empathy for the gay community shine through as they condemn the cultural imperialism and bigotry that has led to the erasure of gay men's struggles and sacrifices. They call for a return to the true spirit of the LGBT movement, one that celebrates diversity and inclusivity without elevating any one group above another.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] the rainbow flag was not about Like, it wasn't like each color represented some sexuality. It was rainbow because it was everyone under the rainbow Be comfortable with who you are. Yeah. Everyone is accepted. Is it not fitting that that acceptance has been systemically

Simone Collins: erased? That's, yeah, actually, when you put it that way, it's pretty wild.

Malcolm Collins: As they took over this identity and begin to marginalize the actual individuals who fought to normalize

Simone Collins: all of this.

Malcolm Collins: here's this flag for how everyone matters. And then they're like, but some people do matter more than others.

Let's put some stripes on here for black and brown people. Let's put some stripes on here. Let's put a big section on here for the trans

Simone Collins: community, even for asexual.

Malcolm Collins: It's fucked up. It is genuinely fucked up and disturbing the way that the progressives had basically stabbed the gay rights movement in the back and then carved up its corpse [00:01:00] and then wear it like some sort of macabre outfit.

 They've done the same to the black community. F*****g horrifying

. And it's the same that we've seen with the gay community, they have taken their identity away from them and said, this identity supports us. And if you don't support us, then you no longer have ownership over your own identity,

would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Malcolm, what do you want to talk about today? The gays.

Malcolm Collins: Today we're talking about the gays. And what happened to their culture, which I think is really cruel and twisted. And so a lot of people, you know, they, they're watching our podcast and they may not realize how fully integrated both you and I were with early LGBT culture.

When I say integrated, you know, I lived in a boarding school since I was 13 every year in high school, except for one year, my roommate was a gay guy and he was my best [00:02:00] friend. So this means throughout high school, the room I was sleeping in and my best friend who I hung out was a good 90 percent of all of my social interactions was a gay man.

And I was in the GSA, and I was really, really, really engaged with gay culture. And then in college, again, my best friend and my academic father was a gay man. People don't know academic father.

It's sort of like your, it's seen Andrews student mentor, student mentor. Right. And. For a good chunk of my formative years in life, the person who I spent the most time with, talked the most to, and engaged with, was a gay man. And so, a lot of people are like, Malcolm, you have a lot of gay mannerisms, why is that?

And it was like, because I hung out with them all the time, in their friend group, and like, that was my core friend group growing up, was gay men. And a lot of men today, Now, gay culture was very different back [00:03:00] when I was growing up. They'll look at this and they'll be like, Oh, why would you do that? And I was like, You want to get a lot of hot female tail?

Have all of your friends be hot gay men. Because women hit on them, they're not interested, and they pass them off fairly frequently. I'm not saying this is why they were my friends. I actually went to a high school reunion and I was interested in meeting with everyone.

And I ended up only talking to this guy again. Because after I started meeting all the other people, I was like, Oh, this is why I only talk to you. You're the only, like, sentient, interesting person at the school. In my year, you know. But anyway.

Simone Collins: Well, yeah, and of course, I grew up in, The San Francisco Bay area.

So the only two parades I ever went to were the pride parade and the fourth of July parade in my small town, but the San Francisco pride parade, of course. And most of my friends had lesbian mothers. So I just thought people married like gender [00:04:00] had no influence over who you married, that I was equally likely to marry a woman as I was to marry a man.

It

Malcolm Collins: just didn't. Yeah. Well, and when in growing up, everyone thought you were gay because they

Simone Collins: would always say Simone will love whatever man or woman you end up with. And I wonder if they were kind of disappointed in you because you weren't a woman.

Malcolm Collins: You know, you, yeah, well, we, yeah, right. And then, no, I think they, they kind of were because at one point you told another girl in your class that you wanted to know, no,

Simone Collins: no, no, no.

That's just, this is like in the second grade or so. And in public school, I announced at one point that I was going to marry my best friend who was a girl and we were going to live in an RV. And have a hundred cats and no one took away the problem that I was apparently going to be a very dangerous hoarder of cats as an adult and be homeless.

Apparently. Oh, I'm sorry. Live hashtag band life. They were more concerned about the fact that I had apparently just come out of the closet [00:05:00] in the second grade. Hello.

Malcolm Collins: I am glad the trans movement didn't exist when you were a kid. Cause yeah, because they probably should in a hot second. Yeah.

Simone Collins: It's like, Oh, we got it.

Well, because then at that point I, I didn't, I thought nothing of this. I said it at some point during the day. And then I come home and my mom's like, you know, Simone, you need to talk about this because apparently my teachers had called home and there was this whole meeting about that. I had just come out of the closet.

I had no idea because I was like, I was in the second grade. It just happened to be that my best friend's parents were also lesbians. And that most of the people I knew were like in some kind of alternative relationship. I mean, my parents were poly before they got married. It just, anyway, so no, I, I, I never had lesbian tendency as I just, I've always been asexual, but gay for you.

And I.

Malcolm Collins: What she means by that is she's never found anyone else attractive.

Simone Collins: Yeah, and then suddenly I met you and I was so, so [00:06:00] hot for you that despite being an insane germphobe, I

Malcolm Collins: wouldn't have anyone else's game for just me. Like how common that is to, to only find one person arousing. I really,

Simone Collins: I do wonder that in all of our research on sexuality, we haven't found.

Good data on this, but let's go back to the gay community, to the gays,

Malcolm Collins: to the gays. Well, so this is important because like my core network, as I said, with GSA, the theater kids, I was like an alt scene kid in the early days was those two core. Oh, and the, I don't know what to call it. It was like this community of Like thrift store and knitting girls, we grew up in our time period.

Maybe not where you are, but on the East coast, it was definitely a thing. These are girls who wore everything from thrift stores and then would knit. It's like,

Simone Collins: I had friends like that, but they weren't primarily lesbian.

Malcolm Collins: No, I'm not saying they were lesbian. It was like a community and the community had a lot of lesbians in it.

But anyway, or, or by girls or whatever the early gay community and the [00:07:00] early LGBT community differentiated. So we're going before our time. I'm going back to the eighties here. It differentiated from mainstream society because They were discriminated and this happens to any group. If you're discriminated, but not like killed, right?

In high numbers, it's not that they weren't killed. Some people did get killed for their sexuality at that time period. You, you hide it from mainstream society and then you socialize separately. Well, that leads to a different culture forming because you are isolated from the mainstream cultural network.

You need to identify how you are different from that cultural network. And then status is to some extent. Like extracted when you meet someone you've never met, but it's in the wider cultural network by how much you other yourself from the perspective of mainstream society in terms of that cultural networks, values and norms.

This is where you got the gay accent. This is where you got. And then gays begin to adopt the cultures that a lot of them were coming from [00:08:00] or where they would get a lot of early sex from. So in gay men, this became biker culture. Which became very important to the gay male aesthetic. And then to gay women, this became nones, actually a lot of people don't know this, but after the second Vatican council, when the nunneries were moved close to the cities, gay men also disproportionately joined the Catholic priesthood.

But so did gay women. This is sort of the Catholic cultural solution for same gender relation, I think it was 52 percent of. of Catholic priests are same sex attracted in one study done. And it's, and so the ones who were more gay than Catholic, let's put it that way they just happened to be born Catholic and this is what they thought they were supposed to do if they were same sex attracted they went into these movements.

And then in, in, in nunneries, these began to really influence lesbian culture during this period. Which you still see in some lesbian aesthetics and common lesbian fetishes. And, and you see this within the gay movement as well. Like, this is why you get [00:09:00] something like Road Warrior, which borrowed a lot from gay culture, which borrowed the original Road Warrior, which borrowed a lot from biker culture.

The upper. we kill. We kill, kill them! Kill them! Kill them! Kill

Malcolm Collins: and you definitely see this if you're watching the original Road Warrior. This definitely came out of gay cultural networks. And then you had some trans people, but trans people were basically non existent back then. You had cross dressers, which are different from trans people. The majority of cross dressers are cis gendered straight males, actually.

These are men who like to cross dress recreationally. And transgender people generally found themselves in these networks, and you had a few transgender people in the outliers, but they were incredibly rare if you're talking about the formation of early gay culture. Gay women were the sort of [00:10:00] next most rare group just the proportion of women who are same sex attracted to only females, when contrasted with the proportion of men who are same sex attracted to only males it's like ten men for every woman.

This is just like a biological fact. If you look at the statistics, it is much more common for women to be bisexual or to be interested or aroused by both male and female body shapes in a historic context where same sex attracted is heavily discriminated against. There just wasn't a reason to join these cultures if you were a bisexual woman because of the cost to you.

So a lot of these women just presented a straight where men are usually attracted to only either men or. And therefore for them to get any sort of arousal pattern, they would need to go as men, which led to a lot more men being present in these communities in the early days. So in the early LGBT community, I'd say that there were probably, you know, due to the rounding error of trans individuals and [00:11:00] bisexual women who appeared in these movements probably 10 gay men for every one other person in the movement.

Simone Collins: Meaning this is a very, very, very big and significant proportion of the

Malcolm Collins: community. This is a very big, significant portion of the community. So when the rainbow flag was invented, when people were dying, when people were fighting. Well, they called it

Simone Collins: the gay pride flag. They didn't call it the LGBT flag.

They called it the gay pride. It was a gay pride flag. It was a gay pride flag. And it was the gay pride parade also.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, this was about gay men, and everyone else was sort of along for the ride because they had the similarity They were a numerical minority. Yeah, and well, and they had the similarity. The only thing they had in common, like their sexualities, I don't think transness is particularly related to gayness or lesbians I think that they just had the similarity that they were rejected from mainstream society due to something that was abnormal about their gender pattern in the [00:12:00] same way that You know, if you, if you look historically, right, they would have called trans people gay and stuff like that, right?

Like to define your group by the people who hate you seems really weird to me, but this is just culturally, they were all sort of in the same bucket for this reason. Well, you

Simone Collins: could, Malcolm, think of it this way. The pronatalist movement is comprised of many very different groups, but we're aligned in our interest in having cultural freedom.

And you could argue perhaps that's what brought these groups together is they wanted to be aligned in their sexual freedom.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. To do what they wanted to, which is, is not where the movement has gone, but we'll talk about that in a second. So gay men fought and died predominantly to get this movement accepted.

And it is twisted that now the LGBT flag, whatever it's become, which is over time erased gay men from it has, they vote 45%, people may [00:13:00] not know this, in the last election cycle, gay men voted 45 percent for Trump. This That blew

Simone Collins: my mind, by the way. Because

Malcolm Collins: identity and flag that so many of them fought and died for is being used to represent ultra progressive culture to a complete abandon for the effect it's having on these actual communities.

Imagine, imagine if you strongly identified with something like, you know, Catholicism or whatever, right? And there was a group of absolute, like, progressive extremist fascist, racist, because most ultra progressives are fascist and racist. Of course, they define racism. They say it's not racism if you're targeting white people.

It's not fascism if you're targeting people who aren't progressive. You know, this is genuinely the way that, of course, when, when, when you approach a Nazi and you're like the things you're doing to Jews, are really dehumanizing. Oh, don't worry. They're not humans. This is always what fascist, racist [00:14:00] groups do have taken over their movement.

And their identity along with that movement, right, like this larger gay identity that they did so much to normalize, the progressives did nothing, nothing to normalize this. They left this group in the cold. The first presidential candidate who, when elected, publicly supported gay individuals and gay marriage.

was Trump. Obama was against gay marriage when he was first elected. I want to be absolutely clear about that. The progressives did not a f*****g thing for this community. They have always treated them as an in their pocket voter, and it makes absolute sense that the gay men who actually had to suffer for the rise of this community are f*****g livid with where things have been taken.

And people who [00:15:00] knew these individuals back in the day, back when the community was rioting, would have just as much anger about not just taking over this identity, but progressively erasing them from their Own flag. What the are you?

It's worse than that. Glad has now.. One of the primary gay rights organizations. They have a book of like approved and disapproved words or language, which is so Orwellian. But anyway, , in their latest iteration, the word homosexual is now considered an offensive term. Which is hilarious because they use terms like queer all the time, which was originally. , designed as. Primarily a pejorative term, whereas homosexual with a descriptive term for gay men. But they have erased the only word for gay men.

they can say, oh, well you can call them gay now or gay men now, but they've literally erased.

Being able to say that males are gay exclusively, or describe them as a specific [00:16:00] demographic.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah,

Simone Collins: it's, it's because we, we have gay friends who have lived long enough to not have only grown up with woke, you know, who are, who are older than us and some are conservative now.

Yes. 100%. And they see how society has gone off the rails, but then there are others who are still staunchly progressive. And I wonder if it's just that they're not really looking into things. Part of me thinks that I think a lot of the people who are Progressive and living in the Bay Area. You and I were talking about this earlier.

I don't think, I think the issue is that they just don't know what's going on. Well, they don't realize

Malcolm Collins: what, no, no, Simone, 45 percent of gay men voted for Trump. Okay. They know largely the cultural knows there's a few brainwashed people, but gay men have always been some of the forced to question cultural norms.

Yeah. That is why they produce art at a higher rate. And they just do like across societies.

Simone Collins: 45 percent of gay men voted for Trump. Not 90%. What's going on with that?

Malcolm Collins: that a lot aren't brainwashed, that [00:17:00] a lot aren't maybe even falsely identifying as gay men. No, this is, you know, some sort of status thing was in, come on, Simone, be realistic.

You know, there, there, there's a lot of men who are like, well, I'm gay because I'm like demisexual. And that's a form of, you know, gender queer, which is within the gay label, you know, be realistic here. But I also want to point out here. What they did to the flag because this has always like been so fucked up.

Which

used

Simone Collins: to be called just the gay pride

Malcolm Collins: flag. First, yeah, this was the gay pride flag. And then the rainbow flag was not about Like, it wasn't like each color represented some sexuality. It was rainbow because it was everyone under the rainbow. All the colors. It was about everyone. The individual colors, not representing anything specific, was about representing everyone.

Everyone. And yes, a few groups later tried to identify, Oh, this color means this and this color means this. But [00:18:00] historically, when it was created, no, that's not what it was about. It was about total inclusivity.

To add some clarification here. The colors. While they do not represent sexualities. They do represent things specifically pink mint, sex Redmond, life, orange mint, healing, yellow mint, sunlight, green mint nature, turquoise mint, magic slash art. Indigo. I mint, serenity and violet mint spirit. , the pink Stripe was taken out later because it was difficult to source of the fabric from it. But yeah.

And they, they definitely were not representative.

Is that like one of these with gay people or something like that, the entire point of the flag was inclusivity. And that is what progressives are erasing.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it was about freed sexual You, you having the ability to express whatever sexual identity you have and, and, I mean, gayness was the majority of it.

So, obviously, They called

Malcolm Collins: it the gay primitive, but the point is, is it [00:19:00] was, be comfortable with who you are. Yeah. Everyone is accepted. Is it not fitting that that acceptance has been systemically

Simone Collins: erased? That's, yeah, actually, when you put it that way, it's pretty wild.

Malcolm Collins: As they took over this identity and begin to marginalize the actual individuals who fought to normalize

Simone Collins: all of this.

Well, but more than that, that they took away that this is for everyone and they made it into, this is for these specific groups. Some people

Malcolm Collins: matter more than others. It's, it's so f*****g animal farm. It's like somebody came up. And they're like, here's this flag for how everyone matters. And then they're like, but some people do matter more than others.

Let's put some stripes on here for black and brown people. Let's put some stripes on here. Let's put a big section on here for the trans

Simone Collins: community, even for asexual. And I mean, I, I love it, right? I mean, I mean, you're asexual at least, but. I, I also, who is asexual? You know, this is not a large portion of the population.

Why, why is that [00:20:00] there? Why is that there? And

Malcolm Collins: as an asexual person, I would say that you are like, why are we erasing inclusivity? A flag dedicated to inclusivity was a carve out. Yeah. It's fucked up. It is genuinely fucked up and disturbing the way that the progressives had basically stabbed the gay rights movement in the back and then carved up its corpse and then wear it like some sort of macabre outfit.

Ooh, look at me. I'm a minority because I destroyed a minority community. They fought for all of this. They've done the same to the black community. F*****g horrifying. It,

Simone Collins: when it makes the flag also now so much less inclusive because it sort of means that all these other orientations and kinks can no longer count under it.

Cause they're not listed anymore. Man. Yeah. Hadn't thought about it that way.

Malcolm Collins: So also the same with black men

the people who. In a large part, [00:21:00] modern black culture, I hate to say it, have been erased. Those men, if you say, Oh, I vote for Trump.

Remember Biden, if you don't vote for, for me, you ain't black. The policing of the black identity card by the Democrats. F*****g disgusting. And it's the same that we've seen with the gay community, they have taken their community, their identity away from them and said, this identity supports us. And if you don't support us, then you no longer have ownership over your own identity, over your own struggles.

I mean, imagine whether you're a gay man or a black man growing up. Right? Undergoing all of this discrimination, and now being told, oh, well none of that mattered because you don't really have ownership over any of that. The totalitarianist, the imperialism, the fascism of the democrat mind is disgusting to me.

And as you can tell, there's people with a ton of black friends, a ton of gay friends, like [00:22:00] this is actually repugnant, pugnant what's happened. Yeah,

Simone Collins: it's, it's pretty wild. I mean, to a certain extent. I kind of get the feeling that a lot of gay communities just don't, they don't need it because they're quite fine on their own.

Thank you very much. And

Malcolm Collins: they don't need it. Sorry. It doesn't matter what they need or what they don't mean. Imagine somebody took a part of your identity, something that was core to

Simone Collins: you. Well, and then, yeah, I guess started selling it to other people. That's where it gets, it's good.

Malcolm Collins: And they started using it to represent their own goodness.

They're like, look at how great I am. Okay. Like imagine

Simone Collins: it's, yeah, it's like using your credit report. To apply for credit or something using your reputation to try to move things forward or cop like plagiarizing your college essay

Malcolm Collins: and submitting it so much worse than that. It's like a group, right? That did something super racist or terrible.

I E [00:23:00] like, let's take a group that like, was known for like brutalizing native American communities, keeping them in camps, everything like that. And then. Arguing to everyone that they were such a good person as such good people because of how many gays they had converted to, not gays how many Native Americans they had helped find Jesus.

And that they're really the number one champions of the Native American community because all of these Native Americans that helped find Jesus and all of them that hadn't found or identified with their culture were evil. And then they became the major voice of Native American quote unquote rights in society.

And then they begin to any Native American that was like, well, we don't agree with your whole Jesus thing. They're like, well, I guess you're not really human and you're definitely not Native American. Do you understand how much that would like mess up someone to be like a young person growing up and seeing that, to see that degree of cultural imperialism and Bigotry.

And I think that this is also [00:24:00] a lot of these dumb, pathetic conservative men these days who don't have any knowledge of history think that they need to be like anti gay or anti black to be conservative. And I see this today. It's really loud people online. They're, they're not actually part of the conservative movement.

Have we pointed out until Obama was elected president, your average white Democrat voter was less likely to say they would vote for him. a black person present than your average white conservative. Even till today, the difference in racism between those two parties is like two to three percent. There is no racist conservative base.

The, the amount of people who try to front racism or homophobia as core to their conservative identity and just end up looking foolish. Because historically, this is not part of the conservative movement in modern times. This is not a conservative base. They are just little 4chan kids looking for acceptance.

And a lot of 4chan is good. What I mean by this is little people who are not 4chan contributors, but just watch other people post there and try to decide [00:25:00] how they would fit in, in this World framework that doesn't actually exist and then go to other platforms where they do feel safe because they're too scared to post on like the real generator of online culture and then post racist s**t on YouTube or homophobic s**t on YouTube and they don't realize that no the majority of conservatives don't agree with them The the and I'm talking real Extremist conservatives don't agree with them.

They think that they're pathetic. And that in truth, our movement is one of diversity. . It is. And I think in the next election cycle, the majority of gay males. It is the people

Simone Collins: who actually the stats previously showed. A little bit less than half, but you think it's basically just gotten worse.

Just like we've seen with many Latin American groups that are just seeing themselves being completely left behind by the democratic party and policies and behavior. Right. So you just think it's just a bigger proportion now, probably the majority. [00:26:00] Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Hmm. I do think it'll be the majority. And if it's not this election cycle, it'll be the next one.

Because these are the groups who understand oppression. Yeah, you know these are the people who fought for all of these rights to have everything they fought and died for Co opted by a movement that they one don't agree with and is fundamentally against their value set Is horrifying.

Sorry, I might be getting a little emotional in this, but that's because these are communities that I care about and I can't imagine what it must feel like to be a member of one of these communities, especially when who sacrificed so much, and then to have everything that you fought for. Co-opted by people.

who left you to fight alone until they could use your identity to elevate their own social status and move forward this memetic virus that is destroying our society and that needs to be [00:27:00] quarantined and erased. You know, Sweet Baby Inc. I've been watching more stuff about them recently. And and so gamer gate to thing and they're like, Oh, you know, we're just trying to diversify games and by diversify games, they mean make them ultra progressive, right?

And it is really homogenizing is a racist and it doesn't matter the color of your skin if you're, you know, I was watching clownfish TV and they're talking about one of the most famous comic artists these days. Any comic artists who's really against wokeness as a black guy, they don't care. They don't care because you lose their, it's not actually about race to them.

In fact, it's almost the antithesis. Like they are the epitome of racism in our society and homophobia in our society, given the way that they have brutalized these communities, depressing their, their history and identity. But I'm wondering if you had any closing thoughts here, Simone.

Simone Collins: What I find to be encouraging is that I think that these communities are uniquely resilient.[00:28:00]

There's a reason why the progressive. Left has really tried to take them over because they had created something of immense power and goodness. And I think now that they're kind of back to a new zone without necessarily the same home that they'd already created, that their home has been appropriated and taken away from them in terms of advocacy, et cetera.

I still have every confidence that they're going to be just fine because they're smart, they're resourceful. And these movements did get big under their watch. Now they're being destroyed, of course. But they'll create new subcultures, new movements, and they're going to be just fine because honestly, these are incredibly resilient groups of people.

They're incredibly smart and resourceful, and they've only made it this far and they've only normalized the Different from historical societal sexual preferences because they've been that good. So [00:29:00] I don't think it's hopeless. I think it's incredibly gross what has happened and I see your disgust and totally identify with it.

But I'm also always of the mindset that. The, the fit shall win and they are the fit, they shall win. Well, I mean, A

Malcolm Collins: men still are the primary generators of new cultural ideas in our society. The rest of the LGBT movement has never really generated, you know, durable new cultural ideas. And by this I mean new.

And so as these new people of the now dissident class, which is considered the intellectually dissident class, which is now conservative I think the generative gay men will continue, as you say, to, to play this major role in society. Same with, with black men, right? Like who's the number one conservative after Trump, Kanye, right?

Like in terms of public mindshare, even, even somehow more horrible than Trump. I'm sure he's not considered black by progressives. But the other thing I wanted to note is that in many ways, this stealing of their [00:30:00] identity and then transforming it, the reconstruction of the pride flag is A gift to the real gay community, the old gay community, and that now, and we were saying this, you know, we were at the the last Log Cabin Republicans meeting at Mar a Lago.

It's actually the first time we saw Trump and this group the joke I kept saying is I love that we can now fly the rainbow pride flag and be seen as conservative and dissident. When before You mean the original gay pride Yeah. Yeah. Before if you, it was like signaling that you're a progressive.

Now you fly the original flag and you're signaling that you support the real.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It's like practically flying a Trump flag or a let's go Brandon flag. Edgy, edgy. So weird. Yeah, but again, they're, they're going to be fine because, you know, the best win in the end. And I think gay culture is [00:31:00] incredible and resilient and it always has been.

So, you know, at least we're starting from a better starting point where, you know, people aren't being, at least in our culture, killed or jailed or hormonally sterilized. Once they're found to be.

Malcolm Collins: Whoa. People in our culture aren't being hormonally sterilized which are found to be

Simone Collins: There's more les lesbians

Malcolm Collins: these days.

How many young gay men do you think have been hormonally sterilized who were confused about their gender identity?

Simone Collins: Wow. Okay. Okay, well, they're not being killed or jailed so, yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. It's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. I love you.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, by the way, one of my favorite things recently is there is this you know, thing on the trans people who had been killed this last year for trans awareness day.

And it turned out that the, the murder rate was lower than the general population.

So just to run the numbers [00:32:00] on that, here is a report complaining that more than 300 trans people killed in 2023. , and if you look in the United States, they had 31 were killed in the U S so you can say what percent of the us population is trans. It's about 1% these days. Which means there's about 3 million trans people in the United States. And so if you say, okay, 31 people murdered in a 3 million population. That brings the murder rate. Two.

0.00001 in the trans community, um, versus the general population, which should be 0.0063. So it's literally orders of magnitude lower than the general population.

Malcolm Collins: And almost none of them were killed for being trans. It was all like they had robbed from someone. They'd

Simone Collins: been mugged or something.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. It was mostly s**t they had done to other people. Yeah. Oh no. Oh no, no, no.

Simone Collins: Bad luck.

Bad luck. They should not have published Love

Malcolm Collins: you to death Simone. I love you too. [00:33:00]

Simone Collins: Oh God, I didn't know that. That's crazy.

Malcolm Collins: Oh.

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