Gary Jubelin is a former cop, and Brent is a former criminal. Now, they’re both podcasters. Gary hosts the popular podcast *I Catch Killers*. In this unique and raw conversation, no punches are pulled, and no question is off-limits. At times, things get heated, and it almost ends before it even starts. This is part one. Stay tuned for part two, dropping next week!  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.