Sir TJ the Wrathful, Sir Libre, Mike Neumann, ChadF and Bitpunk.fm ans Salty Crayon discuss the current state of the v4v music spaceSir TJ's Doerfelverse Website Sir Libre's SirLibre.com Sir ChadF's Podtards music site Salty Crayon's UpBEATS WebsiteBitpunk.fm's ZineAI Generated DescriptionThis audio transcript captures a roundtable discussion among several music podcasters involved in the Value4Value (V4V) ecosystem, including SirTJtheWrathful, Sir Libre, Mike Neumann, Salty Crayon, Bit Punk FM, and ChadF. The central theme revolves around the challenges and future of V4V music podcasting, especially following Kevin Bae's decision to step back from his "Sats and Sounds" podcast due to technical frustrations. Participants passionately discuss payment systems like Lightning Network's KeySend and LNURL, the importance of listener feedback via "boostagrams," and the struggle to onboard musicians who find the technology confusing. They also touch on the role of open protocols, the potential of decentralised platforms like Nostr and Bandcamp, and the overall goal of fostering a direct connection between artists and listeners outside traditional industry models.